Jacobson - Socialsaul - AQU R9 Sunday 12-7

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by horses4courses

Socialsaul was not claimed.
I have no clue why.

Let the speculating begin.

Once claimed a hoss who had a knee issue, could run like the dickens. Won off the claim, layoff to take of knee issues, won off the layoff, ran 2nd in allowance race, knee went bad for final time, retired to be a trail hoss, lovely disposition.

Allan

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Once claimed a hoss who had a knee issue, could run like the dickens. Won off the claim, layoff to take of knee issues, won off the layoff, ran 2nd in allowance race, knee went bad for final time, retired to be a trail hoss, lovely disposition.

[Robert Fischer]

Originally Posted by biggestal99

Once claimed a hoss who had a knee issue, could run like the dickens. Won off the claim, layoff to take of knee issues, won off the layoff, ran 2nd in allowance race, knee went bad for final time, retired to be a trail hoss, lovely disposition.

Allan

Good man.


That is what we as fans and players should demand.

1. Good examinations by the vet.
2. If the horse is deemed unsound either:
2a=layoff&re-exam or
2b=A place on a farm somewhere.

We can't blame Jacobson for being smarter than the other trainers and seeing that in spite of the Ugly running line under David Cannizzo where when Cannizo put him in that impossible spot in the statebred allowance and he was 'VANNED-OFF', that the horse was actually sound again for the Saratoga race.
Jacobson was smarter than the rest. He made a good business decision.
However, he took a risk. He could have ended up with an unsound horse. He could have ended up with a horse that may have been hurt under Cannizzo, but had underlying infirmities and then broken down a race or two later for Jacobson. Jacobson would get publicly criticized if that had happened. Shit!, Jacobson was right, and he still got publicly criticized for it.

What we DON'T want is that if a trainer makes an educated risk, such that Jacobson did here, AND if he happens to end up with a dud where the previous owner had put up an unsound horse for claiming - we DO NOT WANT those trainers to feel obliged to run a lame horse to sucker others in a claim purse or drop the horse to the cheapest track to run for 2K or something.

We want slow horses to run for the cheapest tracks/purses - not fast horses with bowed tendons and painkillers.

So, keeping with the theme about staying logical and fair and reasonable, we then should look at the system.

We can and should examine whether systemic changes(rules) could protect both the animals and the trainers in these type of situations.

or We could ignore the systemic properties of the system, and when a guy like Jacobson operates in that part of the system in a significant way, we can make remarks about him.

[nijinski]

He has been through some barns with many changes , blinkers on
and off , front bandages on and off .
Like RF's post pointed out he was claimed after the DNF but it was
after the summer off too .
Jacobson must have been eyeing his works for his return . Maybe he looked really good and with a step down , he'd be ready in no time .
Golden , the owner has had success with the claimers as well and along
with Jacobson they had a few notable ones .
No doubt the horse must have issues and hopefully they won't push him
when they act up .

[Alwaysonpoint36]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

hoss awesome

[FantasticDan]

Socialsaul was claimed today on behalf of his original owner, and retired. From @DRFGrening at live.drf.com:

Former owner claims, retires Socialsaul

The graded stakes-placed Socialsaul, who finished fourth in Friday’s fourth race at Aqueduct, was claimed for $10,000 by his original owner and will be retired.

Mike Samotowka, a surgeon based in Ohio, had trainer Mark Hennig claim Socialsaul for $10,000 on Friday. Hennig, who had purchased the horse on behalf of Samotowka for $35,000 at the 2010 Fasig Tipton Timonium 2-year-old-in-training sale, said the gelding would be shipped to In Front Training Center in Ghent, N.Y., on Saturday before a future home is found for the 6-year-old New York-bred gelding by Read the Footnotes.

“We had been talking about the horse; he had a lot of success with him and he just wanted to do the right thing by the horse and get him off the track before anything happened to him,” said Hennig, who did not train the horse during his racing career.

Samotowka had raced Socialsaul with trainer Gary Contessa for his first 20 starts. In that span, Socialsaul won the 2011 New York Derby at Finger Lakes and finished second in the Grade 3 Discovery at Aqueduct. He earned $157,295 for Samotowka before he was claimed for $62,500 by Drawing Away Stable and trainer David Jacobson in May 2013.

Socialsaul was claimed six subsequent times, most recently for $16,000 by Jacobson and Bruce Golden on Sept. 1 at Saratoga. Socialsaul raced eight times since Oct. 19, and Friday was his fourth start in 27 days. He had won five of his previous seven starts before Friday.

Socialsaul retires with a record of 11 wins, 8 seconds and 3 thirds from 40 starts. He earned $514,375.

“He was good to Mike and Mike wanted to be good to him,” Hennig said.

[ReplayRandall]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

Socialsaul was claimed today on behalf of his original owner, and retired. From @DRFGrening at live.drf.com:

Former owner claims, retires Socialsaul

The graded stakes-placed Socialsaul, who finished fourth in Friday’s fourth race at Aqueduct, was claimed for $10,000 by his original owner and will be retired.

Mike Samotowka, a surgeon based in Ohio, had trainer Mark Hennig claim Socialsaul for $10,000 on Friday. Hennig, who had purchased the horse on behalf of Samotowka for $35,000 at the 2010 Fasig Tipton Timonium 2-year-old-in-training sale, said the gelding would be shipped to In Front Training Center in Ghent, N.Y., on Saturday before a future home is found for the 6-year-old New York-bred gelding by Read the Footnotes.

“We had been talking about the horse; he had a lot of success with him and he just wanted to do the right thing by the horse and get him off the track before anything happened to him,” said Hennig, who did not train the horse during his racing career.

Samotowka had raced Socialsaul with trainer Gary Contessa for his first 20 starts. In that span, Socialsaul won the 2011 New York Derby at Finger Lakes and finished second in the Grade 3 Discovery at Aqueduct. He earned $157,295 for Samotowka before he was claimed for $62,500 by Drawing Away Stable and trainer David Jacobson in May 2013.

Socialsaul was claimed six subsequent times, most recently for $16,000 by Jacobson and Bruce Golden on Sept. 1 at Saratoga. Socialsaul raced eight times since Oct. 19, and Friday was his fourth start in 27 days. He had won five of his previous seven starts before Friday.

Socialsaul retires with a record of 11 wins, 8 seconds and 3 thirds from 40 starts. He earned $514,375.

“He was good to Mike and Mike wanted to be good to him,” Hennig said.

Thanks Dan, for the "do the right thing" post.....Jacobson was running the horse into the ground and it was tearing Mike's heart out......

[Tom]

Hats off to the gut for doing the right thing.
....And a rather different gesture to Jacobson.

[cj]

It is too bad everyone but Jacobson foots the bill to do the right thing for horses in the Jacobson barn.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by cj

It is too bad everyone but Jacobson foots the bill to do the right thing for horses in the Jacobson barn.

If this isn't the post of the year, its really close.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by DeltaLover

How come this horse did not 'bounce' yet? Do you believe in this theory?

IMO for every horse that actually bounces, and it does happen occasionally, 19 do not. This can usually be detected back at the barn in the days following the race. Just a few reasons out of many might be, the horse does not eat up for a couple of days when it usually does, maybe a shoe off( not necessarily a reason they lose but sure could be as every horse is different just like people and which shoe matters) or swollen eye from dirt or a small stone that hit the eye , a fever, soreness from a misstep or over excursion, etc. The list is endless.

Because of what I just said, IMO it seems to have become a convenient excuse when a favorite loses or they do not get as good a number as they previously did.

While I am not the handicapper that most are in here, more often than not, horses have a solid reason for gaining the higher number in their last start over and above a final time or ease of victory. So when they run back, the same good fortune, shape of race, bias, racing luck, difference in class, post position and on and on, more than likely will not exist. So they don't run seemingly as well on paper .

I have had many horses that ran a better effort and lost after running a winning race with a higher number the last time, and had people say my horse bounced. That was totally inaccurate from the effort put forth as well as what was observed over the next week back at the barn with the horse . And if that horse was let's say a speed horse that had the box( outside post, especially out of a chute, on a long straightaway to the far turn), last out and ran a high number and has the 1 post this time with the same horses that it pinned last time with the box but this time the horse that was the 1 post last time, has the box this time, it's not a bounce, it's position, as well as likes and dislikes of the two horses.

IMO if you analyze on replay and paper as to WHY the horse ran so well last time you can more often than not project that into the race at hand and see if the reasons the horse ran so well last time exist again this time. If they do not, you probably have a chance to beat the probable favorite but you will know that in your opinion it will not be a bounce, it will be the circumstances surrounding the race that day.

Hope that makes sense.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by cj

It is too bad everyone but Jacobson foots the bill to do the right thing for horses in the Jacobson barn.

Well said cj.

[horses4courses]

Glad to see Socialsaul retired - nice gesture by the original owner

[Tom]

If only someone would now retire Jacobson.

[GatetoWire]

Originally Posted by cj

It is too bad everyone but Jacobson foots the bill to do the right thing for horses in the Jacobson barn.

Could not agree more. Disgusting the way Jacobson just dumps his horses.