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11-20-2014, 07:52 PM
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His third dam is Serena's Song though, one of the greatest female dirt routers of the past 20 years.
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How about his sedond dam? Was she any good?
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11-20-2014, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
It's pretty rare that an A.P. Indy prefers sprinting, and I was about to write on the route features of Honor Code's dam side. Then I found his dam was a sprinter.
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Absolutely correct 
I can verify that when it comes to AP INDY favorites only:
The winning % for routes (>1600) is 45% with a roi of 1.04 while for sprints it is only 25% with a ROI of 0.81
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Last edited by DeltaLover; 11-20-2014 at 08:20 PM.
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11-20-2014, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaLover
How about his second dam? Was she any good?
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Serena's Tune was a multiple stakes winner that failed in her route attempts...which is surprising considering that her dam is Serena's Song.
Serena's Tune's sire is Mr. Prospector, if that makes a difference.
Despite that, even when sprinters are bred to A.P. Indy, they usually result in, at the very least, middle distance types such as Dreaming of Julia, and I realize Dreaming of Julia won her sprint debut but she also won two route races. I still think Honor Code is a route horse.
Last edited by letswastemoney; 11-20-2014 at 10:05 PM.
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11-20-2014, 10:25 PM
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I like the ridgling in here!
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11-22-2014, 12:20 PM
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this will be a good race to watch the show pools
if some bridgejumpers like Honor Code, I will bet against - just too many firsts for this class horse. I would be surprised if get 2/1 in win pool and the competition is not that shabby.
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11-22-2014, 12:22 PM
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  scratched
With the 9 out I like  Great Attack,been a long time since he's seen a fast
track, with  Maleeh.
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11-22-2014, 01:42 PM
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Green Gratto will be at least 60-1 against this field....
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For good reason too. This is the horses 12th race this year. Looks like hes burnt out and needs a rest, not a new trainer. If he hits the board, im a pumpkin.Note that he's up for a tag, what a shocker.
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11-22-2014, 01:45 PM
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If Honor Code runs well, I'd love to see him try the Malibu next, but I doubt that would ever cross Shug's mind.
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11-22-2014, 01:57 PM
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If Honor Code runs well, I'd love to see him try the Malibu next, but I doubt that would ever cross Shug's mind.
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That's a little unfair. Shug ships to CA.
It's a good idea. I will ask him. I wonder if he might be hesitant to ship a horse coming off a serious injury across the country.
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11-22-2014, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by the little guy
That's a little unfair. Shug ships to CA.
It's a good idea. I will ask him. I wonder if he might be hesitant to ship a horse coming off a serious injury across the country.
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I know he does, I just don't know if another sprint is in the cards, that is what I meant. Obviously a lot depends on how he runs today, but it could be a great spot.
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11-22-2014, 02:38 PM
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11-22-2014, 02:50 PM
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Good to see Honor Code run like a graded stakes horse.
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11-22-2014, 02:50 PM
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like I said earlier in the week....honor code at his best going one turn sprinting....
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11-22-2014, 02:55 PM
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If Honor Code runs well, I'd love to see him try the Malibu next, but I doubt that would ever cross Shug's mind.
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I think what you have to weigh is the speed favoring nature of the track and they might soup it up on opening day to create fast times, but this race seems to historically be ok for closers, the pace will be very fast, what would sway me to go there if i owned this horse is how much speed is going to be in the race, if there figures to be a hot pace, its something to definitely consider.
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11-22-2014, 02:57 PM
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Honor Code is being positioned to be a future stud as an AP Indy line stud.
They will stretch him out and try to win some major grade I route races.
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