SA Race 1 Tri Pool 19,478 (Oct 29)

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

The pools get bigger as the day wears on, its odd that the first race tri can only pull 19k, with a 250k pick 5, its obvious that people are handicapping that race for the pick 5, but they aren't betting multiples of 3 in a race where their main focus is multiple of 5. Maybe the pick 5 has been the reason the first race tri is so low as well as the pick 6s in So Cal, which seem to be half of what they used to be.

An astute observation. I would agree.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thespaah

An astute observation. I would agree.

Its mentally challenging to handicap 5 races in advance and using multiple horses per race, people are structuring pick 5s the last thing they want to think about is making a wager on who's going to finish 2nd and 3rd in the first race of the day.

Thanks for the compliment for my one astute observation in 2014

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

If 100 bettors (big bettors small bettors, etc) complain and say they want a fair surface, so make it deeper, more tiring and make it so any running style can win, and ONE trainer complains, they bow down to that trainer and tighten up the track. You know that if 6F races were going in 114, SOME trainer would complain......and they would listen and do what he says even if the bettors didn't want that.

I would much rather see the BC Sprint go in 111 or 112 than 106 or 107 and yet, nobody but me seems to think that way. If the race goes in 111, you have a much better chance of hitting boxcar payouts than you do if it goes in 107.

I don't think most serious bettors are watching the clock.
I have always maintained that time is relative to the conditions of the racing surface. This is why I pretty much ignore speed figures. Speed is how a particular horse runs a race relative to the competition in that race. Not the time. Although one can use previous race fractions if and only if the track condition today is similar to the races which one is analyzing.
For example. The night the 6F record was set at Meadowlands, 1:08. was on a track that was for all intents and purposes, frozen. It had rained after a snowfall and the temp dropped below freezing. The time was recorded by some cheap claimer that ironically won by head or neck. The track was wicked fast that night. The weather just beat the crap out of the track maintenance crew. I would imagine that class of horse could not run three quarters in 1:12 on a normal track.
Anyway, I don't see how a trainer or trainers can complain if the racing surface is relatively even. If they think it's glib, cuppy or tiring, but each entrant has a chance to win regarding their individual running style, what the hell are they bitching about?

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Its mentally challenging to handicap 5 races in advance and using multiple horses per race, people are structuring pick 5s the last thing they want to think about is making a wager on who's going to finish 2nd and 3rd in the first race of the day.

Thanks for the compliment for my one astute observation in 2014

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I don't think most serious bettors are watching the clock.
I have always maintained that time is relative to the conditions of the racing surface. This is why I pretty much ignore speed figures. Speed is how a particular horse runs a race relative to the competition in that race. Not the time. Although one can use previous race fractions if and only if the track condition today is similar to the races which one is analyzing.
For example. The night the 6F record was set at Meadowlands, 1:08. was on a track that was for all intents and purposes, frozen. It had rained after a snowfall and the temp dropped below freezing. The time was recorded by some cheap claimer that ironically won by head or neck. The track was wicked fast that night. The weather just beat the crap out of the track maintenance crew. I would imagine that class of horse could not run three quarters in 1:12 on a normal track.
Anyway, I don't see how a trainer or trainers can complain if the racing surface is relatively even. If they think it's glib, cuppy or tiring, but each entrant has a chance to win regarding their individual running style, what the hell are they bitching about?

Let me clarify. Bettors (besides CJ ) are mostly not watching the clock, but they are watching to see if "anyone can win" and when the track is yielding 106 and 107 for 6F, horses aren't going to be coming from "the clouds" to win. If the track is tiring, you will see speed have to work really hard to hold on and you will occasionally see a big "fan" of 7 across the track and when Trevor says "its wide open" hes going to really mean it.

The current "wide open" that Santa Anita normally sees these days is 2 or 3 having a shot at the top of the lane. that's their "wide open" .

They changed the surface, but the surface change did no favors to handicappers, its like a harness race on a half mile track, you throw out posts 7 and 8 right off the hop without even looking...that's how Santa Anita is, deep closers can't win.

[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I concur. As a matter of fact, in NY ( harness anyway) NYS had a rule that if a field was less than 8 starters, no trifecta. Also, no coupled entries were permitted in trifecta races.

Highest takeout wagers.

[andtheyreoff]

Man, it's Breeders' Cup week and two of the top threads are complaining about the number of races run on a Wednesday and Thursday at Aqueduct and the trifecta pool for a race at Santa Anita. Geez.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by andtheyreoff

Man, it's Breeders' Cup week and two of the top threads are complaining about the number of races run on a Wednesday and Thursday at Aqueduct and the trifecta pool for a race at Santa Anita as well as a comment that complains about the complainers complaining! Geez.

Fixed that for Ewe.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by wisconsin

Highest takeout wagers.

Good point, Wisky....
Thanks!

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Let me clarify. Bettors (besides CJ ) are mostly not watching the clock, but they are watching to see if "anyone can win" and when the track is yielding 106 and 107 for 6F, horses aren't going to be coming from "the clouds" to win. If the track is tiring, you will see speed have to work really hard to hold on and you will occasionally see a big "fan" of 7 across the track and when Trevor says "its wide open" hes going to really mean it.

The current "wide open" that Santa Anita normally sees these days is 2 or 3 having a shot at the top of the lane. that's their "wide open" .

They changed the surface, but the surface change did no favors to handicappers, its like a harness race on a half mile track, you throw out posts 7 and 8 right off the hop without even looking...that's how Santa Anita is, deep closers can't win.

And judging off todays two BC dirt races, if your horse is worse than 4th after the first 3f, you're tearing them up.....So speed favoring.
What's wrong with these people?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by thespaah

And judging off todays two BC dirt races, if your horse is worse than 4th after the first 3f, you're tearing them up.....So speed favoring.
What's wrong with these people?

As long as the horsemen are happy, that's all that matters.