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View Poll Results: Jockey Club Gold Cup
Micromanage 3 4.55%
Last Gunfighter 1 1.52%
Wicked Strong 12 18.18%
Zivo 13 19.70%
Prayer for Relief 6 9.09%
Long River 1 1.52%
Speak Logistics 0 0%
Tonalist 15 22.73%
Stephanoatsee 4 6.06%
V.E. Day 5 7.58%
Moreno 6 9.09%
Big Cazanova 0 0%
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:20 PM   #31
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And the 3rd portion of the pace analysis (minus form determinations):

Running styles, early to late:

11 E8
-12 E/P4
------7 P0
-------8 P0
-------5 P0
--------6 P0
------------------2 P0
-----------------------4 S0
------------------------3 S0
-------------------------10 S0
----------------------------------------9 S0
----------------------------------------1 S0
I think i like this visual. Nice concept.
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:21 PM   #32
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Fine work, Nick. Thank you. A great race card with this one, the centerpiece.
Yes, good work, Nick.
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:25 PM   #33
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I remember a October Saturday about 5-6 years ago when a bunch of us met at belmont Park for the JCGC and we had a blast. If my memory serves me well, there were gatetowire, Nijinski, OTMal, Proximity, JustRalph, PA, Grits, trackcollector, Miesque and a few others who I cannot recall.

Maybe next year, These gatherings are always a blast.
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Old 09-26-2014, 11:27 PM   #34
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what a race......shit.....90% of these horses could win.

How about the oldest horse in the race

He's wound up tighter than a golf ball...............

Prayer for Relief?

Anybody? I think he might be too old to win but Johnny V is the best out there now. And if it falls apart? I like his chances with a smart rider
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Old 09-27-2014, 12:15 AM   #35
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what a race......shit.....90% of these horses could win.

How about the oldest horse in the race

He's wound up tighter than a golf ball...............

Prayer for Relief?

Anybody? I think he might be too old to win but Johnny V is the best out there now. And if it falls apart? I like his chances with a smart rider
It seems every time PFR pairs his top, he regresses. However, after his last race (paired top), I see two rather intense works which may indicate he could move forward again..........you might have something here at big $$$ Ralph.
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Old 09-27-2014, 01:11 AM   #36
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It seems every time PFR pairs his top, he regresses. However, after his last race (paired top), I see two rather intense works which may indicate he could move forward again..........you might have something here at big $$$ Ralph.
What is a "paired top"? Top speed rating last 2? Last equals his top? If so, I don't have it that way, his last isn't even his top, and his 2nd back is even lower.

He definitely has room to move up off his last, and his last work was pretty dang good, it appears.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:05 AM   #37
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Superfecta ticket:

Win -- 3 4
Place - 3 4 7 8
Show - 3 4 7 8 5
4th ---- 3 4 7 8 5 10 1
Cant really take this seriously with the 7 in the 2 spot.
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Old 09-27-2014, 02:34 AM   #38
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Cant really take this seriously with the 7 in the 2 spot.
Not asking you to. That's your decision, but stranger things have happened haven't they? if there is a pace meltdown, anything can happen and any horse other than the ones that meltdown can finish well.

Just some data I have, don't use it, won't bother me at all. As a matter of fact, that would be just fine by me.
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Old 09-27-2014, 03:29 AM   #39
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Not asking you to. That's your decision, but stranger things have happened haven't they? if there is a pace meltdown, anything can happen and any horse other than the ones that meltdown can finish well.

Just some data I have, don't use it, won't bother me at all. As a matter of fact, that would be just fine by me.

What data do you have that tells you that horse has a shot to run 2nd? He is literally impossible on paper. In what world does that horse even belong in this race?? If the 11 and 12 kill each other and it does melt down there are seven other horses who are more likely then him to run 2nd.
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Old 09-27-2014, 03:49 AM   #40
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What data do you have that tells you that horse has a shot to run 2nd? He is literally impossible on paper. In what world does that horse even belong in this race?? If the 11 and 12 kill each other and it does melt down there are seven other horses who are more likely then him to run 2nd.
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Old 09-27-2014, 06:51 AM   #41
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Am I missing something?

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Suspected hot pace takes out both Moreno and Big Cazanova. Speak Logistics has the top early velocities (in route dirt races only, albeit it at generally shorter routes), so wouldn't be a bit surprised if he adds even more pace pressure to the other two.

The "come from behind" velocities, in ranked order:

Zivo (at 5/1-6/1 he would be my bet)
Wicked Strong
V. E. Day
Raybo...how did you deduce that Speak Logistics has the top early velocities in this race? Was this info extracted from the past performances...or was it garnered through some function of your automated handicapping method?

I am not being facetious here; I respect you as a pace handicapper...and I am honestly wondering if I am missing something in this horse's record.
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Raybo...how did you deduce that Speak Logistics has the top early velocities in this race? Was this info extracted from the past performances...or was it garnered through some function of your automated handicapping method?

I am not being facetious here; I respect you as a pace handicapper...and I am honestly wondering if I am missing something in this horse's record.
I won't speak for raybo. He may be referencing the 11/3/12 SA (BC Juv), 4/6/13 CRC, 9/2/13 PRX, 9/21/13 PRX and 11/10/13 GP races.
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Old 09-27-2014, 08:45 AM   #43
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Prayer For relief

Nice balance between his early pace and late pace #s
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Old 09-27-2014, 09:36 AM   #44
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I remember a October Saturday about 5-6 years ago when a bunch of us met at belmont Park for the JCGC and we had a blast. If my memory serves me well, there were gatetowire, Nijinski, OTMal, Proximity, JustRalph, PA, Grits, trackcollector, Miesque and a few others who I cannot recall.

Maybe next year, These gatherings are always a blast.
Cjd, I just woke up.. and realized. I'm not in NY. I'm not at Belmont for JCGC. I should have driven up. Now I'm disgusted and depressed, all at the same time. One of the best days of the year and I'm looking at TVG. What a bitch!

That was a fun, a great day of racing. It was a laid back day. We all sat together handicapping, watching races, and having a few drinks. You hit a couple of triples.

In the big race today, with the condensed figures, I'm using Zivo, Wicked Strong and Last Gunfighter. LG has the highest back figure in the field, which always appeals to me. I'll use these three.
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Yeah Grits but at least you didn't have to drive through that Baltimore-Washington corridor that you soooo much enjoy.
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