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Old 01-06-2015, 09:36 PM   #61
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Be Bullish is nominated to defend his 2014 win in next Sunday's (1/18) Hollie Hughes for NY Breds. $100k purse.

This is like the DJ Fairy Tale. He runs everything out of him and finally drops to the $16k level where Repole jumps in out of the goodness of his heart to claim the old warrior. Repole and company find out he's still sound and a runner, just needs some R&R time. After the R&R Repole and co run him for $20k and win, and somehow DJ is there to pick him back up. He wins at $40k for DJ (no claims) and will likely be one of the favorites to win the Hollie Hughes, yet again.

I'm sure he has dreams about this all the time.
He is a warrior, but he's long in the tooth now, and running him at a much higher class level won't help things.

All the soundness and smart business decisions aside, what most of want to know is this.

Will there be a happy ending for Be Bullish, or will the ending not be as happy.

Hopefully the Be Bullish story ends the right way.
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:43 PM   #62
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He is a warrior, but he's long in the tooth now, and running him at a much higher class level won't help things.
Not to sound like a DJ apologist. But exactly how much less "long in the tooth" was he last year when entered in and winning the Hollie Hughes?
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:55 PM   #63
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Not to sound like a DJ apologist. But exactly how much less "long in the tooth" was he last year when entered in and winning the Hollie Hughes?
He's either going to be retired at some point or he's not. At this point, it seems that the ball is in Jacobson's court. Like i said, hopefully this has a happy ending.
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Old 01-07-2015, 08:32 PM   #64
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Not to sound like a DJ apologist. But exactly how much less "long in the tooth" was he last year when entered in and winning the Hollie Hughes?


Well, Be Bullish has 12 more races on his 10 yr old legs than he did last year at this time and 180k more $$$. Gotta squeeze every dollar out of him. His races last year were like the Holly Hughes and 60k Alw races...tough competition.

The constant concussive pounding on legs is not good. Eventually,it catches
up to horses...an''occupational hazard' The 'bad step' excuse is just that. M ost horses that break-down have damaged legs, micro-fractures, worn out joints and legs.

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...-bad-step-myth

Be Bullish is likely on the sasme path as Saginaw another DJ 'warrior' 'sound as a dollar' until he wasn't and died on the track.
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Old 01-07-2015, 09:33 PM   #65
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Commodore Way is entered for $5k claiming Friday.
He's 30-1 ml with the bug boy up.

a little comparison to Be Bullish:

Be Bullish 10 year old warrior:
13 starts since turning 9yo.
(4wins 4seconds 2thirds)(10/13 ITM)
last three starts: 2nd-1st-1st.
85 starts career.

Commodore Way 11yo warrior:
22 starts since turning 9yo.
(3wins 3seconds 4thirds) (10/22 ITM).
last three starts 4th-5th-9th.
84 career starts.


Should Commodore Way still be racing?
Is he thought of in the same negative light as Be Bullish?
Does the fact that he is no longer competitive at the lowest classes make him worse than Be Bullish?
Is Be Bullish a worse situation than Commodore Way because Be Bullish has earned his retirement with the multiple stakes wins and the million dollar mark?

Any opinions?
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:07 PM   #66
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Again, not to sound like a DJ apologist, but how much blood would be on Repole's hands if something happened? Wasn't his intent to retire the horse when he claimed him for $16k? Why bother returning him for the $20k?
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Old 01-07-2015, 10:21 PM   #67
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[QUOTE=Rise Over Run]Again, not to sound like a DJ apologist, but how much blood would be on Repole's hands if something happened? Wasn't his intent to retire the horse when he claimed him for $16k? Why bother returning him for the $20k?[/QUOTE

it was 'assumed' via facebook/twitter (never in print anywhere) that Repole claimed Be Bullish to 'retire him. Obviously, that wasn't Repole's intent or something changed Repole's mind and he entered him in a claiming race for DJ
to reclaim.

And yes, Repole has blood on his hands if Be Bullish breaksdown some where along the line.
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Commodore Way is entered for $5k claiming Friday.
He's 30-1 ml with the bug boy up.

a little comparison to Be Bullish:

Be Bullish 10 year old warrior:
13 starts since turning 9yo.
(4wins 4seconds 2thirds)(10/13 ITM)
last three starts: 2nd-1st-1st.
85 starts career.

Commodore Way 11yo warrior:
22 starts since turning 9yo.
(3wins 3seconds 4thirds) (10/22 ITM).
last three starts 4th-5th-9th.
84 career starts.


Should Commodore Way still be racing?
Is he thought of in the same negative light as Be Bullish?
Does the fact that he is no longer competitive at the lowest classes make him worse than Be Bullish?
Is Be Bullish a worse situation than Commodore Way because Be Bullish has earned his retirement with the multiple stakes wins and the million dollar mark?

Any opinions?
I ONLY follow NYRA racing. i no nothing about Commodore Way...his track...trainer...record. Zip. no comment. Be Bullish i have followed for years and am familiar with DJ's modis operandi... that does not favor a successful retirement for Be Bullish by DJ.
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Old 01-09-2015, 10:12 PM   #69
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Commodore Way 11yo warrior:
22 starts since turning 9yo.
(3wins 3seconds 4thirds) (10/22 ITM).
last three starts 4th-5th-9th.
84 career starts.
finished3rd today at Delta race6 14-1 paid I think $6 to show.
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And then there is the great Eagle Time, who won twice at age 12, twice at 13, and two times in five starts at age 14! At low-level claiming races. Check out his history: some starts in graded stakes, some handicap wins, some allowance. Nobody was wringing their hands or gnashing their teeth about him running at an advanced age. Just because a horse is a little older and has been in tougher company doesn't mean he's a candidate for the winch and ambulance.
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Old 01-10-2015, 08:55 AM   #71
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[QUOTE=rastajenk]And then there is the great Eagle Time, who won twice at age 12, twice at 13, and two times in five starts at age 14! At low-level claiming races. Check out his history: some starts in graded stakes, some handicap wins, some allowance. Nobody was wringing their hands or gnashing their teeth about him running at an advanced age. Just because a horse is a little older and has been in tougher company doesn't mean he's a candidate for the winch and ambulance.[/QUOTE

Not same comparison. Eagle raced 4/5 times in his final years and made 1,000 in purses those years or less. Be Bullish raced 12 times last year and made 150k in 2014 to add to 995k and 85 races

if you can't understand that 5 races in some 3k claiming race at a podunk track in a year or two puts the horse under the same pressure as
12 races on the top circuit in the country in the same year... then the discussion is over.
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Old 05-05-2015, 02:46 PM   #72
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Entered tomorrow , Belmont for $12,500 .

" Beyond the Roses Equine Rescue " is trying to raise funds to retire him .
Not an easy amount to raise .

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Old 05-05-2015, 03:02 PM   #73
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" Beyond the Roses Equine Rescue " is trying to raise funds to retire him .
Not an easy amount to raise .
What a terrible endorsement for this sport, don't you think?

A group is trying to raise money to STOP this horse from racing. Either they are misguided to the hilt, or this sport is in dire, dire trouble...
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Old 05-05-2015, 03:09 PM   #74
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What a terrible endorsement for this sport, don't you think?

A group is trying to raise money to STOP this horse from racing. Either they are misguided to the hilt, or this sport is in dire, dire trouble...
There are plenty of horses that should be retired that aren't, but doesn't seem like Be Bullish is one of them.
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Old 05-05-2015, 03:23 PM   #75
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What a terrible endorsement for this sport, don't you think?

A group is trying to raise money to STOP this horse from racing. Either they are misguided to the hilt, or this sport is in dire, dire trouble...
We're not talking about a hopeless 30-1 LS, we're talking about a horse who is the M/L Fav. at 9-5.....Trainer DJ not a person I respect either. At what age is the line drawn for a horse to retire who's won almost $1 Mil, does it matter or is this an unanswerable question?
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