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09-21-2014, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I know that this is not the popular opinion...but I wouldn't mind an Illinois racing scene consisting only of Hawthorne Park. I have a certain fondness for "cheap" racing...and a year-long Hawthorne campaign appeals to me, in a way. I don't consider the possible closing down of Arlington to be such a tragedy for the horseplayer.
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I have to agree with the vibe. I admit to not betting much in general the last few years, but I can still enjoy handicapping the cheapies at Hawthorne. The race cards there usually yield something I can sink my teeth into and want to play. Arlington has just all of its appeal. I once loved to play main track races there (have never liked the AP turf racing for some reason) but I'm flat lost now and don't care to find my way. Hawthorne looks, sounds, and feels like a real race track.
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09-21-2014, 10:07 PM
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Thanks Valuist. Agree with you regarding the drive from the NW burbs to Hawthorne. I went down on a couple saturdays a fall or 2 ago and the jam up between 1st Ave and Mannheim Rd. was horrible both times.Also, it really did seem like there was a true start to the racing year when Sportsmans was in business. Some of the better stables would wait out the meet,maybe get a start or 2 in near the end. Racing almost felt like baseball back then..an opening day worth looking forward to.
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It really was a unique setup......with a bullring track opening the start of a racing season.I remember names like Theos Machine and others who seemed to thrive on the sharp turns at that oval.
Hawthorne in October used to be my favorite month of the year for playing when AP had dirt....now that month for me at least is now almost unplayable.
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09-22-2014, 04:23 AM
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I believe everything in Illinois and Chicago is fixed.
From politics to racing...
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09-22-2014, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Prairie Bettor
I believe everything in Illinois and Chicago is fixed.
From politics to racing...
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Um....not Arlington's turf teletimer..
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09-22-2014, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by illinoisbred
Um....not Arlington's turf teletimer..
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 Excellent!
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09-22-2014, 10:13 AM
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A few things I like about Illinois racing: 1} Arlington Park itself is a beautiful facility...a great place to go to see races live. The turf course is terrific. Like the one dollar pick six offering. I have hit a couple of times- as the carryover approaches 10 k. It is often overlooked by the "big boy' pk six syndicates. Mr D is a great guy. 2} love the lower takeouts and the long stretch run at Hawthorne dirt...a great place to key an underappreciated closer in the superfecta. Splitting favorites by using closing longer shots in the two and three hole can be lucrative. One of only a very few tracks I like to play that particular exotic.
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09-22-2014, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Prairie Bettor
I believe everything in Illinois and Chicago is fixed.
From politics to racing...
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I think everything in Illinois is broken.
From politics to racing...
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09-22-2014, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by therussmeister
I think everything in Illinois is broken.
From politics to racing...
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Thats a for sure not a think.
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09-22-2014, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
if you bet straight wagers, the Canadien tracks give you a decent shot for your money. they all pay to the dime. New York also pays the same way. those places give you the best bang for your buck before a rebate. Woodbine gives big fields and NYRA also.
the breakage is a very big deal. i bet a horse in Churchill 2 weeks ago for $600 to win. the horse won and paid $3.80 for win, before the breakage it should have been $3.96, i lost $48 or 8%, plus i paid the takeout. its basically impossible to overcome that disadvantage in the long run.
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States that use dime breakage with a round down are ripping off their bettors.
Nickel breakage is much more player friendly.
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09-23-2014, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I know that this is not the popular opinion...but I wouldn't mind an Illinois racing scene consisting only of Hawthorne Park.
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I'm with you if you are willing to keep Fairmount Park. It is a long way from St Louis to visit Hawthorne.
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09-23-2014, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by forced89
I'm with you if you are willing to keep Fairmount Park. It is a long way from St Louis to visit Hawthorne.
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Keep Fairmount Park. Cheap dirt sprints are my bread and butter. 
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09-23-2014, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
States that use dime breakage with a round down are ripping off their bettors.
Nickel breakage is much more player friendly.
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This is like saying shoplifters are much more friendly than armed burglars...true, but both are still criminals.
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09-25-2014, 09:05 PM
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Left the State of Illinois in 2003, quit betting their racing product about the same time. Learned to handicap from MSM back in the days of Sportsman's on the 3rd floor, and used to love the off season to recharge the batteries and couldn't wait for late Feb. when SPT would open.
Over the years the poor decisions and the crying by the tracks has gotten to me. They still want slots, which is incredibly stupid, when you hear on WBBM that the casino boats on the lake in Indiana are looking for alternate forms of gambling, because they are loosing money. You really think that CD Inc. or the Carry family are smarter than the casino operators. I believe with all the slots in this country, prove me wrong, we've run out of bodies to play them.
What will they want next, if they get them and fail?
Follow racing in NY, NJ, Maryland and Florida they seem to get it. Enjoy KY Downs and Keeneland and call it a day.
I think it's time for Illinois racing to go away, unless someone like Dick D wants to put up his own money to have a good meeting and kick CD out of the picture. Hawthorne same thing, Carry can put up his money and have racing. No more handouts, slots, etc. you can't make it, go out of business!
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09-25-2014, 09:37 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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I tried betting Arlington today, couldn't pull the trigger. It looked totally foreign to me.
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09-25-2014, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
This is like saying shoplifters are much more friendly than armed burglars...true, but both are still criminals.
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The real punisher is the round down.
The odds on a horse could in real math be say 2.69-1 which would pay a mutuel of $8.38 is rounded down to $8.20. The track takes 9 cents on every dollar ABOVE the takeout.
So lets say there were 10,000 winning $2 tickets placed on that horse.
10k X 0.18(cents for each $2 wager) is divided by half is $900..
That's a free $900 for the track for doing nothing...
At least with nickel breakage that mutuel would be $8.30
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