Dear California Chrome,

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by tanner12oz

I thought he was an awful bet today but what do I know I guess...i dont think the field was stacked from top to bottom but you have alot of back class and synthetic specialists in the race...sb beat older on another new track rattling off 5 in a row...impressive to say the least. I'm not in love with this horse but other then injury this horse has done everything asked plus...the way they have handled him the feet could become and issue but I'm pretty sure hollendorfer would sit him awhile..

He's been managed perfectly. Amazing training job and management for sure.

[Augenj]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

He beat nothing on a plastic track. He's 800 lbs soaking wet. I'll keep trying to beat him, no offense, but he will lose before i run out of money.

Northern Dancer was pretty small too. Maybe Seabuiscut also. However, I'm inclined to agree with you until I see him run on a deeper track.

[chadk66]

shared belief has to rank right up there in regards to the worst front end of any top horse. man his action in the front end is horrible. I can't see him staying sound very long.

[Augenj]

Originally Posted by Augenj

Northern Dancer was pretty small too. Maybe Seabuiscut also. However, I'm inclined to agree with you until I see him run on a deeper track.

Seabiscuit, of course.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Augenj

Seabiscuit, of course.

I was thinking you were talking about Sea Bisquick (Calif Chrome's ALMOST name)

[Augenj]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I was thinking you were talking about Sea Bisquick (Calif Chrome's ALMOST name)

It's a hard name to spell.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by Tom

SB is not close to CC yet.
He won a mediocre race yesterday - nothing to write home about behind him.
Again.

Almost by definition, any Grade I against older horses is going to be a better field than a Grade I against 3-year olds.

People WAY overrate the Triple Crown. It's much harder for a 3 year old to beat older. This was a tour de force today by Shared Belief.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Tom
SB is not close to CC yet.
He won a mediocre race yesterday - nothing to write home about behind him.
Again.
Reply by dilanesp

Almost by definition, any Grade I against older horses is going to be a better field than a Grade I against 3-year olds.

People WAY overrate the Triple Crown. It's much harder for a 3 year old to beat older. This was a tour de force today by Shared Belief.

It should be made clear that Tom was referring to the Los Alamitos Derby, not the Pacific Classic. And it is not automatic that a Grade one for older horses is superior to a Grade One for three year olds.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

He beat nothing on a plastic track. He's 800 lbs soaking wet.

Give me a break. Toast of New York is a synthetic monster, winners of this years Gold Cup, SA Handicap, Charles Town Classic.

He is only the 4th three year old to win the race.

Won at a distance and track he had never tried before against older horses.

Get a grip. Why is it so hard to give this horse credit? Aside from inheriting cursed feet, he has done NOTHING wrong.

Are we just upset we might have spent all spring watching a bunch of three year olds who couldn't hold a candle to the champ?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

Give me a break. Toast of New York is a synthetic monster, winners of this years Gold Cup, SA Handicap, Charles Town Classic.

He is only the 4th three year old to win the race.

Won at a distance and track he had never tried before against older horses.

Get a grip. Why is it so hard to give this horse credit? Aside from inheriting cursed feet, he has done NOTHING wrong.

Are we just upset we might have spent all spring watching a bunch of three year olds who couldn't hold a candle to the champ?

I would need a grip if i actually cared about anything more than betting opportunities going forward. The credit that i'm doling out is to the trainer and jock for proper placement and amazing rides and spacing.

As far as doing nothing wrong, i'd prefer to be against him BEFORE he flops rather than wait till he flops. If i give credit and annoint him, how would it be possible for me to bet against him going forward?

If i annoint him, i'll put myself in a position to have to see him lose before i beat him parimutually. I'd rather be against him NOW, so i can beat him and be one race ahead of everyone else who won't start 'beating him' until he loses.

You have to be one step ahead as a handicapper, if you wait until a horse like this flops, its too late.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I would need a grip if i actually cared about anything more than betting opportunities going forward. The credit that i'm doling out is to the trainer and jock for proper placement and amazing rides and spacing.

As far as doing nothing wrong, i'd prefer to be against him BEFORE he flops rather than wait till he flops. If i give credit and annoint him, how would it be possible for me to bet against him going forward?

If i annoint him, i'll put myself in a position to have to see him lose before i beat him parimutually. I'd rather be against him NOW, so i can beat him and be one race ahead of everyone else who won't start 'beating him' until he loses.

You have to be one step ahead as a handicapper, if you wait until a horse like this flops, its too late.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard this. The "I'm a genius even when I don't cash tickets" motto

Hey more power to you man

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

If I had a nickel for every time I heard this. The "I'm a genius even when I don't cash tickets" motto

Hey more power to you man

People in this game who call themselves geniuses (and really are) are few and far between. I know the difficulty of the game, the racing gods don't look kindly on people who annoint themselves as handicapping gods.

These horses are very fragile and very few of them duplicate elite effort after elite effort......especially main track horses.

You take a warrior like Wise Dan, that's not a horse i'm running up to beat on a regular basis, that horse will walk thru rings of fire to beat you, if i tried to beat a horse like him, i've learned my lesson. But, he's an elite superhorse who's older and proven he will walk over broken glass and hot coals to beat you, that's not really the sort i'm chasing around the country trying to beat.

There could come a time when i make an executive decision to stop trying to beat Shared Belief....that time hasn't come yet.

[iceknight]

Baffert: ""Longshots are always the biggest danger to a horse like Game on Dude," Baffert said. "They always want to go after him. I hate to see that. I think he was gonna' win if they hadn't gone after him like that. It's frustrating to train a horse and get him ready for his biggest race and have a horse who has no shot to win take that chance away."


Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz3BO7s1VPv

Oh boy, what a whiner! So he wants to steal the race and expects everything perfect ..lol...

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by iceknight

Baffert: ""Longshots are always the biggest danger to a horse like Game on Dude," Baffert said. "They always want to go after him. I hate to see that. I think he was gonna' win if they hadn't gone after him like that. It's frustrating to train a horse and get him ready for his biggest race and have a horse who has no shot to win take that chance away."


Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz3BO7s1VPv

Oh boy, what a whiner! So he wants to steal the race and expects everything perfect ..lol...

Why not just yield and let the longshot go and sit second?

If you have a one dimensional horse, that's on you, the trainer, for not doing a better job at teaching him to relax and rate off horses.

You can't complain if your one dimensional horse gets compromised in some way.

[timp]

who remembers creme dela creme gelding backin 1980sbowed horse won bunch races oscar had him for a while thry even had a day for him when retired ran aqueduct belmont cant put my finger on name driving me crazy .