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Old 07-02-2014, 08:59 AM   #61
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I would think twice about it, there are reasons other than bigotry that it's not legal. Lower division euro soccer is corrupt, and US baseball also used to be corrupt (more than today).
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:30 AM   #62
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I would think twice about it, there are reasons other than bigotry that it's not legal. Lower division euro soccer is corrupt, and US baseball also used to be corrupt (more than today).
And "Horseracing" is a "model" of honesty and consistency.....

But at least you can "betonit"...
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:57 AM   #63
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Ask Delaware what happened when they tried to start up full time sports betting.
The injunction filed against the state of Delaware claimed its plan violated federal law. But my understanding is that in the NJ case, NJ will not be the entity operating the sports books, and the NJ plan calls for the state to simply drop its prohibition of sports betting. This would allow private entities to run such operations without violating federal law, which I believe only forbade states (not private entities) from running such operations.

I could be wrong.
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Old 07-02-2014, 12:16 PM   #64
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BKS, you are correct. There have been at least 3 different instances that were quoted from the sports leagues, the doj lawyer, and even a judge at the Court of Appeals who all said, in essence, that PASPA is not forcing them to do anything and it's not a violation of PASPA if NJ repeals it's prohibition on sports betting. So, Senator Lesniak introduced a bill that would do just that, only at casinos and racetracks. It's now on the Governor's desk.

In my opinion, I think Chrisite will veto it. I think the only reason that he was the "aggressor" in trying to get sports betting legalized was that the NJ legislature did an intelligent thing and got the sports betting question on the ballot in 2011 without the need of the Governor's approval. Then, when the voter's overwhelmingly voted YES to sports betting, the Governor would have looked real bad not to fight for it. Based on his future aspirations for the Republican nominee for president and the possible questions regarding possible new lawsuits in resonse to the new sports betting repeal prohibition, I think he veto's it.

I would think at that point they could try to override the veto, but the NJ legislature has NEVER been able to override his veto due to the fact that the minority of Republicans in the NJ legislature, even if they overwhelmingly agreed with the bill, will NEVER go against their Governor.

It should be interesting to see how this turns out, especially since one particular senator (Senator Beck) is a republican, is a co-sponsor of the bill, and represents Oceanport, where Monmouth Park is located. If Christie veto's it, will she have the guts to try to override his veto? We will see.
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Old 07-02-2014, 02:17 PM   #65
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BKS, you are correct. There have been at least 3 different instances that were quoted from the sports leagues, the doj lawyer, and even a judge at the Court of Appeals who all said, in essence, that PASPA is not forcing them to do anything and it's not a violation of PASPA if NJ repeals it's prohibition on sports betting. So, Senator Lesniak introduced a bill that would do just that, only at casinos and racetracks. It's now on the Governor's desk.

In my opinion, I think Chrisite will veto it. I think the only reason that he was the "aggressor" in trying to get sports betting legalized was that the NJ legislature did an intelligent thing and got the sports betting question on the ballot in 2011 without the need of the Governor's approval. Then, when the voter's overwhelmingly voted YES to sports betting, the Governor would have looked real bad not to fight for it. Based on his future aspirations for the Republican nominee for president and the possible questions regarding possible new lawsuits in resonse to the new sports betting repeal prohibition, I think he veto's it.

I would think at that point they could try to override the veto, but the NJ legislature has NEVER been able to override his veto due to the fact that the minority of Republicans in the NJ legislature, even if they overwhelmingly agreed with the bill, will NEVER go against their Governor.

It should be interesting to see how this turns out, especially since one particular senator (Senator Beck) is a republican, is a co-sponsor of the bill, and represents Oceanport, where Monmouth Park is located. If Christie veto's it, will she have the guts to try to override his veto? We will see.
Appreciate this reply. I think it will be very interesting, given how quickly and easily the bill passed the legislature. Clearly there's enough support there. If Christie signals to Republicans that his veto is only for show, then they may feel free to override it without incurring his wrath.

Lesniak seems quite confident, but I have no way of gauging how good an indicator that is of the bill's final passage.

It is of considerable interest to me as an NJ seashore homeowner. Rooting hard for this to pass.
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Christie pushed hot and heavy for privitize the horse tracks, sports betting enhances the track in a positive way. Now he vetos a way to help the track stand on its own two feet?

Not sure how he vetos with a straight face. Sports betting will also be at AC casinos, Christie placed a huge wager on making AC casinos revenue stream increase,

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Old 07-02-2014, 05:11 PM   #67
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Christie pushed hot and heavy for privitize the horse tracks, sports betting enhances the track in a positive way. Now he vetos a way to help the track stand on its own two feet?

Not sure how he vetos with a straight face. Sports betting will also be at AC casinos, Christie placed a huge wager on making AC casinos revenue stream increase,

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How can AC survive without sports betting?
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He has not vetoed it yet.

Just found an interesting article regarding the possible problems if sports betting is instituted:

http://artherworldblog.wordpress.com...dead-or-alive/

These concerns, in my opinion, are why Christie will probably veto it.
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Old 07-03-2014, 10:39 AM   #69
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Christie pushed hot and heavy for privitize the horse tracks, sports betting enhances the track in a positive way. Now he vetos a way to help the track stand on its own two feet?

Not sure how he vetos with a straight face. Sports betting will also be at AC casinos, Christie placed a huge wager on making AC casinos revenue stream increase,

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The smaller details are what seems to be his issue. No real compliance plan has been laid out, no state office has stepped up and said they could "monitor" all of the money flowing into this form of gaming. The possible issues with cheating, payoffs and changing odds as well as collection methods used by those being licensed are all very real.
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The smaller details are what seems to be his issue. No real compliance plan has been laid out, no state office has stepped up and said they could "monitor" all of the money flowing into this form of gaming. The possible issues with cheating, payoffs and changing odds as well as collection methods used by those being licensed are all very real.
There is no compliance issues, no state agency can be involved with this per the court ruling basically its lassiez-faire meaning no state involvement whatsoever. Aka anything goes.

Can Christie with his fed background let sporting betting go without state regulations at the casinos and razcetracks. And allow both to flourish.

There will be no licence for sports betting in Jersey under the current legislation on Christies desk.

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Old 07-03-2014, 03:47 PM   #71
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I think I read somewhere that the mindset was that the racetracks and casinos can be risking their license (state license, not sports betting license) if things are done shady. Of course without state regulation, it could be tough to prove. At lease Christie doesn't have to fear that anyone can go after him or the state, since it would be a private entity running it. I think the odds are (pun intended) are about 80% that he vetoes the bill. We'll see what happens.
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There is no compliance issues, no state agency can be involved with this per the court ruling basically its lassiez-faire meaning no state involvement whatsoever. Aka anything goes.

Can Christie with his fed background let sporting betting go without state regulations at the casinos and razcetracks. And allow both to flourish.

There will be no licence for sports betting in Jersey under the current legislation on Christies desk.

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It's a play on words, to keep the feds happy there will be no licensing requirement, but if you don't own a casino or run a racetrack you aren't getting sports wagering. All of those who currently fit this description are licensed by the Racing Commission or the NJ Casino Control Commission, so to make you happy a separate license isn't required but if you think for one second the state isn't going to monitor the amount of monies or activities of this form or gaming you don't know NJ!
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It's a play on words, to keep the feds happy there will be no licensing requirement, but if you don't own a casino or run a racetrack you aren't getting sports wagering. All of those who currently fit this description are licensed by the Racing Commission or the NJ Casino Control Commission, so to make you happy a separate license isn't required but if you think for one second the state isn't going to monitor the amount of monies or activities of this form or gaming you don't know NJ!
Its clearly stated in the third court of appeals opinion that's it a hard choice for the state
Unregulated sports wagering or keep the ban that is now in place.

The law that is in front of the governor does one thing and one thing only. Let's racetracks and casinos accept sports betting without law enforcement stepping in. It cannot regulate
Sports betting in any way shape or form. There can be no oversight by the state whatsoever,
They can pull the license to operate the racetrack or casino but that's it.

It up to the racetracks and casinos to walk that fine line.

Btw I have lived in jersey all my life :-)

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Old 07-03-2014, 06:24 PM   #74
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I just wonder how much the state's cut will be from the 'private' entity that runs it. They are sure to get a piece if they let someone have their way with us NJ residents and the tons of incoming money, IMO.
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Thanks for posting link. Best article I have seen on the outlook for sports wagering in NJ to date. State Senator "Go to the bank on that one" Lesniak has been wrong so many times in the past, it's hard to be optimistic on sports wagering chances.
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