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Old 06-29-2014, 02:22 PM   #16
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The problem is that the pro sports organizations, and the NCAA, are far more powerful than any group opposed to pot. They will block any sports wagering growth. One of these days, I hope they get overruled, but it's a long way off.
The Supreme Court didn't want to hear the appeal by NJ because they would rather let the lower courts work this out as they know eventually NJ will get sports wagering. The fact is you cannot make it legal in one state and expect the other states just to sit by and do nothing. The push by the NJ lawmakers is one that will result in sports wagering in our state sooner than later!
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Old 06-29-2014, 02:26 PM   #17
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The Supreme Court didn't want to hear the appeal by NJ because they would rather let the lower courts work this out as they know eventually NJ will get sports wagering. The fact is you cannot make it legal in one state and expect the other states just to sit by and do nothing. The push by the NJ lawmakers is one that will result in sports wagering in our state sooner than later!
I sincerely hope you are right.
My head says otherwise.
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Old 06-29-2014, 03:39 PM   #18
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pretty sure I heard this week the showboat is closing...i dont think the sands is there anymore...i was in town maybe 10 years back and it was beginning to be shuttered back then. With continued proliferation of wagering in surrounding states ( and at home in NJ) I can't imagine the situation getting any better...seriously though lets pose a question...

why would someone go to Atlantic city?
Exactly. We have our illustrious gov to thank for this mess. He of the 2016 presidential aspirations. The state invested $263 million to finish building the Revel( in exchange for 20% of the revenues), screwed the horsemen out of any purse supplements and refused to put casinos anywhere else in the state. Any idiot could see that, with surrounding states now having casinos, AC needed another casino like another hole in the head. If Iím a resident of Philadelphia, why would I have to drive 2 hours to play a game of blackjack?
Why not was put a casino in Camden, Monmouth and the Meadowlands? You know, like, where the people are. Idiot.
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Old 06-29-2014, 04:51 PM   #19
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The one thing that has to be remembered is that the NCAA, MLB, NFL, is against the spread of sports wagering and that Harry Reid is in charge of the senate.
These hurdles alone will be almost impossible to over come.
The feds will shut Jersey down on the first day that they try to start sports wagering.
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:24 PM   #20
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Never happens is correct.....
Not so fast. I think NJ goes ahead with the legislation now proposed that has found a loophole in the federal law.
The way I see it is that SCOTUS refused to hear the case. Therefore it leaves the existing federal law intact. Since NJ attorneys theorize the law is unconstitutional, hence the reason they attempted to get SCOTUS to hear the case, they can move forward and implement the wagering.
The federal government would then have to proceed with a suit against NJ, most likely beginning with a complaint to a federal court asking for a temporary restraining order to cease and desist.
Of course I am not an attorney and I just guessing at all of this.
I believe the federal law can be challenged because it does not apply to all 50 states.
The Marijuana laws apply nationwide but 4 ( I think ) states have gone ahead and defied the federal government. So far the feds have not done anything to challenge those states. Why wagering is treated differently is a mystery to me.
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One note....I think the federal government has no business getting into this fray. Those knuckleheads have far larger fish to fry.
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:27 PM   #21
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Obviously the money is in football and hoops but if the concern in the NFL and NCAA why not start taking bets on sports that might not have as much pull in the states like boxing, soccer and entertainment related bets...i would assume with the additional interest from bettors these sports or events might see a spike in interest while the tax dollars began to flow in....seeing the dollars flow might lubricate the feds and seeing the spike in interest and possible threat to there viewership other sports might get on board...

I know the above is kinda idiotic relying on boxing and Oscar wagering but we have to get our foot in the door with something ya know?
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:30 PM   #22
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The problem is that the pro sports organizations, and the NCAA, are far more powerful than any group opposed to pot. They will block any sports wagering growth. One of these days, I hope they get overruled, but it's a long way off.
And the people running those leagues plus the NCAA have a view through rose colored glasses.
There is literally billions of dollars in "illegal" handle wagered every year on their respective sports.
I think its farcical that bettors in Nevada can make all the wagers they wish and the sports leagues look the other way.
It's like "ok we know they're betting in Vegas and we'll live with that, but THAT'S IT!!!"....
The whole thing is illogical. The idea that contests will be infiltrated and game fixing will become rampant is ludicrous. The athletes make tons of money. They cannot be bribed. Why would they?
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Old 06-29-2014, 05:32 PM   #23
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its a great place if you like to shop in pawn shops.
Yes, Showboat closes on Aug 31st. The Revel is slated to close if a buyer for the property is not found.
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Not so fast. I think NJ goes ahead with the legislation now proposed that has found a loophole in the federal law.
The way I see it is that SCOTUS refused to hear the case. Therefore it leaves the existing federal law intact. Since NJ attorneys theorize the law is unconstitutional, hence the reason they attempted to get SCOTUS to hear the case, they can move forward and implement the wagering.
The federal government would then have to proceed with a suit against NJ, most likely beginning with a complaint to a federal court asking for a temporary restraining order to cease and desist.
Of course I am not an attorney and I just guessing at all of this.
I believe the federal law can be challenged because it does not apply to all 50 states.
The Marijuana laws apply nationwide but 4 ( I think ) states have gone ahead and defied the federal government. So far the feds have not done anything to challenge those states. Why wagering is treated differently is a mystery to me.
http://www.covers.com/articles/artic...?theArt=377063

http://casinowatch.wordpress.com/cat...-casedecision/

One note....I think the federal government has no business getting into this fray. Those knuckleheads have far larger fish to fry.
listen I have seen this over and over the past decade...others have seen it over multiple decades...even when it looks good its all smoke and mirrors...i think Delaware was supposed to get sports betting years ago...were even building additions and stuff on casinos for it and then I'm pretty sure it died somewhere

I'm not trying to site promote or anything but I'm a member at therx.com which covers the offshore industry but of course doesn't forget about the mainland wagering business..offshore wagering has been basically decimated by the feds and this would be a great chance for something onshore to spring up...like I said though...highly doubt it
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The Supreme Court didn't want to hear the appeal by NJ because they would rather let the lower courts work this out as they know eventually NJ will get sports wagering. The fact is you cannot make it legal in one state and expect the other states just to sit by and do nothing. The push by the NJ lawmakers is one that will result in sports wagering in our state sooner than later!
I think that plays into my theory.
The way I see it is this. If the SCOTUS had heard the case and had NJ lost, it would seem to me that the opinion of the SCOTUS would have to apply to ALL 50 states. That would in theory shut down ALL sports betting in the country.
I believe that is why NJ tried to have the SCOTUS hear the case.
It was a win win for NJ had the Court decided to take the case.
I think if NJ pushes this hard enough, it cracks.
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Why have I seen photos of NFL parlay tickets on twitter from Delaware Park?

Multiple games okay, single games not?
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Why have I seen photos of NFL parlay tickets on twitter from Delaware Park?

Multiple games okay, single games not?
As I understand the DE law, that is correct. No single game wagers are permitted. Must be a multiple game wager.
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As I understand the DE law, that is correct. No single game wagers are permitted. Must be a multiple game wager.
That would be cool. "$20 WP on the 4 at SA and a $50 two teamer Cinci -2.5 and the Arizona money line. Thanks"
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Never happens is correct.....
Just like the Spurs were never winning game 4? Come on man saying never is ridiculous. Weed, poker.... sports is next. It still may take a few years but eventually it will be available.
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Exactly. We have our illustrious gov to thank for this mess. He of the 2016 presidential aspirations. The state invested $263 million to finish building the Revel( in exchange for 20% of the revenues), screwed the horsemen out of any purse supplements and refused to put casinos anywhere else in the state. Any idiot could see that, with surrounding states now having casinos, AC needed another casino like another hole in the head. If Iím a resident of Philadelphia, why would I have to drive 2 hours to play a game of blackjack?
Why not was put a casino in Camden, Monmouth and the Meadowlands? You know, like, where the people are. Idiot.
How is not giving purse supplements screwing the horsemen? Since when is making a business stand on it two feet a bad thing. He made a mistake by giving money to the casino, but at least he did compound it by giving to the horsemen too.
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