Breeder's Cup - Still no Belmont

[classhandicapper]

At this point, it's fairly obvious that New York is no longer in the Breeder's Cup rotation.

IMO, the BC races have generally damaged the quality of Grade 1 races nationally (including and perhaps especially the historic fall stakes in NY). Many horses are now specifically pointed towards BC races for their peak efforts and try to avoid each other until that showdown.

It seems to me it may finally be time for NY owners, trainers and NYRA to put together a strategy independent of the BC that's in the interests of NY racing, NY fans, NY owners, and NY trainers.

We already know that NYRA can put on a Breeder's Cup quality card with spectacular success. It just did so on Belmont day. It's just a matter of having the will to do it and doing it in a way that maximizes the benefit to NY racing.


http://www.breederscup.com/article/b...?utm_source=BC

"The Breeders’ Cup, one of Thoroughbred racing’s most prestigious international events, has today announced the sites of the next three Breeders’ Cup World Championships – which represents a key element of the company’s long-term strategy to elevate the Breeders’ Cup stature as a preeminent luxury sports and entertainment event.

The announcement marks the second time in the event’s history and the first time since 1993 that it has revealed on the same day more than one future host site for the World Championships. The multi-year strategy represents the debut of the Breeders’ Cup at two of the most iconic tracks in the industry: Keeneland Race Course, in Lexington, KY, which will host the Breeders’ Cup World Championships in 2015 and Del Mar, near San Diego, CA which will host in 2017. In 2016, the Breeders’ Cup will return to Santa Anita Park, in Arcadia, CA, which is also hosting the 2014 Breeders’ Cup World Championships."

[Al Gobbi]

NYRA doesn't want the Breeders' Cup anymore, nor does Churchill. You are basically leasing out the track those two days and get a tiny profit (if any).

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Al Gobbi

NYRA doesn't want the Breeders' Cup anymore, nor does Churchill. You are basically leasing out the track those two days and get a tiny profit (if any).

That's fine if true. I don't know the economics from the outside.

However, the fall NY Grade 1 stakes used to be elite affairs of BC quality that often drew horses from other parts of the country even in the days when shipping wasn't as common. They were often decisive in deciding year end awards. They are still Grade 1 events, but they often serve as preps and are rarely as deep, competitive, or good as they were in the years before the BC. So if you aren't going to be selected for the BC or don't want it, then IMO you need a strategy to return those races to their former glory and to hell with the BC.

[Capper Al]

I believe they are avoiding the cold more than NY.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

At this point, it's fairly obvious that New York is no longer in the Breeder's Cup rotation.

IMO, the BC races have generally damaged the quality of Grade 1 races nationally (including and perhaps especially the historic fall stakes in NY). Many horses are now specifically pointed towards BC races for their peak efforts and try to avoid each other until that showdown.

It seems to me it may finally be time for NY owners, trainers and NYRA to put together a strategy independent of the BC that's in the interests of NY racing, NY fans, NY owners, and NY trainers.

We already know that NYRA can put on a Breeder's Cup quality card with spectacular success. It just did so on Belmont day. It's just a matter of having the will to do it and doing it in a way that maximizes the benefit to NY racing.


http://www.breederscup.com/article/b...?utm_source=BC

"The Breeders’ Cup, one of Thoroughbred racing’s most prestigious international events, has today announced the sites of the next three Breeders’ Cup World Championships – which represents a key element of the company’s long-term strategy to elevate the Breeders’ Cup stature as a preeminent luxury sports and entertainment event.

The announcement marks the second time in the event’s history and the first time since 1993 that it has revealed on the same day more than one future host site for the World Championships. The multi-year strategy represents the debut of the Breeders’ Cup at two of the most iconic tracks in the industry: Keeneland Race Course, in Lexington, KY, which will host the Breeders’ Cup World Championships in 2015 and Del Mar, near San Diego, CA which will host in 2017. In 2016, the Breeders’ Cup will return to Santa Anita Park, in Arcadia, CA, which is also hosting the 2014 Breeders’ Cup World Championships."

Dude quit crying. Belmont didn't even submit a bid. Why don't you cry to the NYRA and tell them to get their organization in order.

Belmont is a dump, facilities wise it's not in the same galaxy as the 3 sites that the BC just laid out. It's Hollywood Park with an extra 1/2 mile on the track.

I'm so tired of people from New York whining and crying about this.

You guys have the same attitude as the NYRA, that is, the BC needs you more than you need the BC, well guess what? The BC just keeps going without you, so it kind of starts to look like noone cares whether you take your ball and go home, so go ahead and do it, the rest of the world is tired of listening while you complain. Noone outside of New York cares.

[Rex Phinney]

Originally Posted by Al Gobbi

NYRA doesn't want the Breeders' Cup anymore, nor does Churchill. You are basically leasing out the track those two days and get a tiny profit (if any).

Each track cuts a different deal with the BC. Apparently all the other tracks are fine with whatever profit they are seeing.

Churchill I can see as having an issue with the BC, Derby Day has to be such a windfall that they have a hard time giving away so much $$$ to host someone else's event.

[Robert Goren]

According to a thread here, Belmont did a lousy job on Belmont Stakes day of taking care of its on site bettors. Why would you think they could handle a Breeders Cup crowd?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Rex Phinney

Dude quit crying. Belmont didn't even submit a bid. Why don't you cry to the NYRA and tell them to get their organization in order.

Belmont is a dump, facilities wise it's not in the same galaxy as the 3 sites that the BC just laid out. It's Hollywood Park with an extra 1/2 mile on the track.

I'm so tired of people from New York whining and crying about this.

You guys have the same attitude as the NYRA, that is, the BC needs you more than you need the BC, well guess what? The BC just keeps going without you, so it kind of starts to look like noone cares whether you take your ball and go home, so go ahead and do it, the rest of the world is tired of listening while you complain. Noone outside of New York cares.

How about you pipe down and act a bit more civil towards someone who did not post such an insulting rant as your own just now.

What's the matter? No more dissing of 'Chrome to bitch about?

[Stillriledup]

I think they're really concerned about having a sloppy track. More chance for injury (possibly) and less betting handle.

If you have the BC in a warm weather locale, you put yourself in a fantastic position to have a fast track and a firm turf course.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

According to a thread here, Belmont did a lousy job on Belmont Stakes day of taking care of its on site bettors. Why would you think they could handle a Breeders Cup crowd?

I thought NYRA did a great job other than perhaps with the congestion and traffic leaving. The women also had an issue with the bathrooms (as usual). So perhaps there's some room for improvement in those 2 areas.

It was an immense crowd, but I was comfortable all day. I had wi-fi access to put my bets in. So I never even had to wait on line to bet. Even if I didn't have wi-fi, lines were long but typical of big race days like that.

I'm not sure they could have done much better putting together a card like that. Huge crowds are always going to make things less than ideal. As long as they are reasonable, I'm fine. Belmont can easily handle a BC if NYRA wants one. But like I said, even if they don't, IMHO, there's no reason to take a back seat to the BC. IMO they should try to return those fall races back to their glory days.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

I think they're really concerned about having a sloppy track. More chance for injury (possibly) and less betting handle.

If you have the BC in a warm weather locale, you put yourself in a fantastic position to have a fast track and a firm turf course.

There is a three degree difference in the average highs and a two degree difference in the average lows between Lexington and New York in November.

Temperature has nothing to do with this.

There is a 29% vs. 32% chance of rain in November during the day Lexington vs. New York.

Sloppy track has nothing to do with this.

[Tom]

Keeping it on the west coast most of the time is a slap in the face of the fans, most of whom can't ever make the trip.

Screw the cup - hold a big stakes day at Belmont the week prior.
We do not need the BC. The Jockey Club Gold Cup has far more history than the Classic will in our lifetimes. GREAT horses won the JCGC.

[horses4courses]

Originally Posted by Tom

The Jockey Club Gold Cup has far more history than the Classic will in our lifetimes. GREAT horses won the JCGC.

The first sentence is a given - it's been around since 1919.
Can't dispute the second one, either, except it's been a prep
for the BC Classic since the mid-1980s.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

There is a three degree difference in the average highs and a two degree difference in the average lows between Lexington and New York in November.

Temperature has nothing to do with this.

There is a 29% vs. 32% chance of rain in November during the day Lexington vs. New York.

Sloppy track has nothing to do with this.

So, the sloppy BC that was at Monmouth in recent years got a betting handle that was on a par with all the other dry track years?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

So, the sloppy BC that was at Monmouth in recent years got a betting handle that was on a par with all the other dry track years?

Try again at getting his point.

Hint: Keeneland is one of the hosts.