Immortal Eyes

[bello]

Glad you started this thread. I was at Belmont today. After the race I challenged Jacobsen to give him a good home. Likely he will go to slaughter. Hopefully he will not race again.

[Mineshaft]

Originally Posted by bello

Glad you started this thread. I was at Belmont today. After the race I challenged Jacobsen to give him a good home. Likely he will go to slaughter. Hopefully he will not race again.

How did you challenge Jacobsen?

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by bello

Glad you started this thread. I was at Belmont today. After the race I challenged Jacobsen to give him a good home. Likely he will go to slaughter. Hopefully he will not race again.

I can't wait to read your other 15 posts.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Mineshaft

How did you challenge Jacobsen?

Yelled to him in the paddock?

[bello]

To be exact, after the race, as he and Lanerie were walking off the track toward the tunnel I said to him....."Are you going to send him to slaughter or find him a nice retirement home".....Do the right thing! Lanerie smiled, Jacobsen did not look up.

That being said, I was hoping to speak to Maggie Wolfendale who is a horse lover to help me make sure this horse was not destroyed by this prick, but I did not get a chance to do that. I am not a PETA person by any means, but a warrior like Immortal Eyes, who earned his connections over a million bucks for his connections and was an exciting horse to watch all these years deserves better than being raced into the ground in his old age or sent to the slaughterhouse.

[VeryOldMan]

Originally Posted by bello

I am not a PETA person by any means, but a warrior like Immortal Eyes, who earned his connections over a million bucks for his connections and was an exciting horse to watch all these years deserves better than being raced into the ground in his old age or sent to the slaughterhouse.

We're on the same page - I worry less about IE ending up on a dinner plate like Exceller and Ferdinand (two of the most massive black eyes for this sport, IMO) but I'm hoping he doesn't end up shown as "vanned off" in a claiming race somewhere. He's earned over a million dollars - he should end up on a farm rather than the racetrack if he just can't deliver at a top level anymore.

[Tara73]

How did Bello miss mentioning Head Heart Hoof?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Tara73

How did Bello miss mentioning Head Heart Hoof?

I know the Hoofmeister finished 2nd at Monmouth in a 5k claimer, do you know if he returned happy and healthy after the race?

[ILovetheInner]

Originally Posted by bello

Seems like you are being a bit of a dick here. You yourself were so proud to see Immortal Eyes come back to NY after his illustrious career. Why not do something productive yourself and make sure he does NOT go to slaughter, break down on the track, or wind up in 5 claimers at MTR or CT. Because if he does, I'll be glad to make sure your and Maggie really wonderful comments pre-race about this horse make the next PETA tape while showing him break down. This horse deserves better and is no longer right. Be it age or infirm, he is done and he should be retired with a touch of dignity.

Do something productive? I've been peeking in on this, and really that was more than I could take. You seem to have a lot of passion for this horse, so why don't you do something then. He has a fan base, there are options to develop. I don't frankly know why Jacobson gets slammed on this horse specifically, who has currently raced for him one time....the horse didn't earn him a million. I believe an estate sold him (admittedly total guesswork on my part), and there *could have been* provisions set aside, or the estate itself could have retired him. If there is to be outrage as regards Immortal Eyes, direct it where it belongs.

Snarking at Jacobson may feel good, but it won't get you anywhere. This is a business, and if a horse is for sale and has the chance to earn money, someone will buy him. The fault far more lays on the sellers for anything BUT that outcome, save for a good soul willing to pay a racehorse price for a horse they simply plan to retire. A horse who did not earn them one dime.

Why not contact Maggi Moss as a start point? It absolutely flabbergasts me that your PLAN is to be outraged and to contact PETA if he dies. So apparently you are willing to feel outraged, sit there while he presumably suffers, and then if it kills him blame people? Heck, if he DOES break down, the first person I'll remember is you.....who felt so passionately, and yet.

Making it clear that I have reschooled several ex racers in my day and currently run a dog rescue. There is a horse at NYRA whose career I keep an eye on (Metaurus). If he ends up needing a hero, that would likely be me. If a horse speaks to you, then do something. Other than snark at Jacobson. Maybe Lanerie smiled because he thinks you are a nut job. I don't know how you would have expected Jacobson to respond. Maybe he would have if you handed him your number and said if he wants to retire the horse to contact you, and done something to outreach to the horse other than "DJ is a butthole."

[Gulchy]

Originally Posted by ILovetheInner

Do something productive? I've been peeking in on this, and really that was more than I could take. You seem to have a lot of passion for this horse, so why don't you do something then. He has a fan base, there are options to develop. I don't frankly know why Jacobson gets slammed on this horse specifically, who has currently raced for him one time....the horse didn't earn him a million. I believe an estate sold him (admittedly total guesswork on my part), and there *could have been* provisions set aside, or the estate itself could have retired him. If there is to be outrage as regards Immortal Eyes, direct it where it belongs.

Snarking at Jacobson may feel good, but it won't get you anywhere. This is a business, and if a horse is for sale and has the chance to earn money, someone will buy him. The fault far more lays on the sellers for anything BUT that outcome, save for a good soul willing to pay a racehorse price for a horse they simply plan to retire. A horse who did not earn them one dime.

Why not contact Maggi Moss as a start point? It absolutely flabbergasts me that your PLAN is to be outraged and to contact PETA if he dies. So apparently you are willing to feel outraged, sit there while he presumably suffers, and then if it kills him blame people? Heck, if he DOES break down, the first person I'll remember is you.....who felt so passionately, and yet.

Making it clear that I have reschooled several ex racers in my day and currently run a dog rescue. There is a horse at NYRA whose career I keep an eye on (Metaurus). If he ends up needing a hero, that would likely be me. If a horse speaks to you, then do something. Other than snark at Jacobson. Maybe Lanerie smiled because he thinks you are a nut job. I don't know how you would have expected Jacobson to respond. Maybe he would have if you handed him your number and said if he wants to retire the horse to contact you, and done something to outreach to the horse other than "DJ is a butthole."

Great post
No one wants to see horses injured or lose their life. When former stakes runners reach the claiming levels it will draw attention. The fact is that there are countless runners every day who "risk their lives for our pleasure" (Quoting a great trainer after one of the most tragic races ever.)

So who stood up for Nana Beach?
Nana Beach was a 40 race maiden who broke down in 2012. She was 5 years old. Who has the crystal ball?

Stop the witch hunt. Post the numbers if you wish.

Unamed trainer-past 5 years- roughly 3800 starts. 39 horses did not finish the race under his care. 19 of those never raced again, that is one out of every 200 starters. At some point these numbers are unacceptable.This is the most extreme case I found in a sample of 10 trainers. I will not judge.

Someone post the facts.5 years,toggle margin to unplaced runners and one by one count the runners who never raced again.

[VeryOldMan]

Originally Posted by ILovetheInner

I don't frankly know why Jacobson gets slammed on this horse specifically, who has currently raced for him one time....the horse didn't earn him a million. I believe an estate sold him (admittedly total guesswork on my part), and there *could have been* provisions set aside, or the estate itself could have retired him. If there is to be outrage as regards Immortal Eyes, direct it where it belongs.

I'm the OP here. Immortal Eyes has raced more than once for Jacobson and has been at the back of the pack each time. Jacobson's record is checkered to say the least re horse treatment/breakdown. I'll leave it at that for now.

Outrage remains properly directed at the current owner of the horse until shown otherwise, in my opinion. Immortal Eyes has earned an offtrack home and not a "vanned off" finish. That's all I'm saying.

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by ILovetheInner

Do something productive? I've been peeking in on this, and really that was more than I could take. You seem to have a lot of passion for this horse, so why don't you do something then. He has a fan base, there are options to develop. I don't frankly know why Jacobson gets slammed on this horse specifically, who has currently raced for him one time....the horse didn't earn him a million. I believe an estate sold him (admittedly total guesswork on my part), and there *could have been* provisions set aside, or the estate itself could have retired him. If there is to be outrage as regards Immortal Eyes, direct it where it belongs.

Snarking at Jacobson may feel good, but it won't get you anywhere. This is a business, and if a horse is for sale and has the chance to earn money, someone will buy him. The fault far more lays on the sellers for anything BUT that outcome, save for a good soul willing to pay a racehorse price for a horse they simply plan to retire. A horse who did not earn them one dime.

Why not contact Maggi Moss as a start point? It absolutely flabbergasts me that your PLAN is to be outraged and to contact PETA if he dies. So apparently you are willing to feel outraged, sit there while he presumably suffers, and then if it kills him blame people? Heck, if he DOES break down, the first person I'll remember is you.....who felt so passionately, and yet.

Making it clear that I have reschooled several ex racers in my day and currently run a dog rescue. There is a horse at NYRA whose career I keep an eye on (Metaurus). If he ends up needing a hero, that would likely be me. If a horse speaks to you, then do something. Other than snark at Jacobson. Maybe Lanerie smiled because he thinks you are a nut job. I don't know how you would have expected Jacobson to respond. Maybe he would have if you handed him your number and said if he wants to retire the horse to contact you, and done something to outreach to the horse other than "DJ is a butthole."

I think everyone on here realizes this is a business. However, there are jobs that people have within racing that some people believe come with inherent responsibilities. Most trainers that I know and respect always do right by their horses. I think the OP's point, which I agree with, is that Jacobsen doesn't appear to be doing that here. This horse has run his heart out and I just don't see the point in squeezing the last bit of juice out of him to try and make a few bucks. There are tons of horse he could have bought and I just wish this one didn't have to keep on running.

[ILovetheInner]

Originally Posted by Relwob Owner

I think everyone on here realizes this is a business. However, there are jobs that people have within racing that some people believe come with inherent responsibilities. Most trainers that I know and respect always do right by their horses. I think the OP's point, which I agree with, is that Jacobsen doesn't appear to be doing that here. This horse has run his heart out and I just don't see the point in squeezing the last bit of juice out of him to try and make a few bucks. There are tons of horse he could have bought and I just wish this one didn't have to keep on running.

I do too, no doubts about it. That truly is nothing I am arguing. I am being realistic, that there is a set market for an eight or nine year old horse being sold off, and most will invest with the intention to make money by moving the horse down the ladder fairly promptly as warranted. That was the market the connections (or estate thereof), from/for whom this horse did earn his retirement, sold him into. To DJ, or the many others who move that way.

The OP feels they did something "challenging" by snarking at Jacobson.......do we really think he has thought twice about that? And from there somehow puts the responsibility on Serling because he likes the horse, or from there on Maggie Wolfendale because she likes horses, or if not and the horse breaks down will align with PETA because they admired the horse and did nothing.

I think the OP likes Immortal Eyes just as much and would be every bit as obligated as Serling or Wolfendale to develop retirement options. We all know what Jacobson will do because he *insert expletive here*, but just calling it real, you could have claimed Frazil this past week. Jacobson could have claimed him. And Linda Rice knows that very well. I don't know how you split that. Sure he's still in form, but he's back in the claiming ranks, he's eight, and gave her one heck of a run. And now open to getting haltered. That's not a Linda Rice slam, just underscoring the nature of the business.

And sometimes no, the connections will be more interested in finding spots or making money. And if it bothers you that much, if you are more restless than their connections appear to be, then maybe it is time for you to develop retirement options. We make money off these horses, too. Including the cheap ones who never were fast enough to earn one million dollars, but ran their eyeballs out for us, we relied on them and cashed in.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by CurtisontheBay

What you might not understand-with so few posts-is that he little guy works for NYRA and if anyone says anything negative re: horse racing or NYRA in particular. he will spring into attack mode. This is his paycheck; lay off man, you are walking on thin ice. He knows that Jacobsen has a stellar record regarding his treatment of those under his domain; how dare you question that!

indeed his posts are like beacons of positive light in an otherwise dark little corner of the internet.

since he's meant so much to ct racing and is track record holder at the historic bullring's signature 4 1/2 f distance, possibly Hollywood casino at Charles town races/pen gaming could acquire immortal eyes themselves and provide the deserved retirement? might be good for publicity.....

[Thebigguy]

Originally Posted by bello

Seems like you are being a bit of a dick here. You yourself were so proud to see Immortal Eyes come back to NY after his illustrious career. Why not do something productive yourself and make sure he does NOT go to slaughter, break down on the track, or wind up in 5 claimers at MTR or CT. Because if he does, I'll be glad to make sure your and Maggie really wonderful comments pre-race about this horse make the next PETA tape while showing him break down. This horse deserves better and is no longer right. Be it age or infirm, he is done and he should be retired with a touch of dignity.

How is he being a dick? I would say its 100-1 that you were even at Belmont that day. But keep up the imaginary challenging.