x factor large heart 2014 what horses in this years derby have??

[davew]

Originally Posted by raybo

By the way, the XFactor isn't a "chromosome", it is a "mutated gene" carried on a chromosome.

Are you sure? If a gene than could it be isolated and then tested for in the blood. Has/is this being done? (Would be helpful in the buying/selling decision of foals)

[raybo]

Originally Posted by davew

Are you sure? If a gene than could it be isolated and then tested for in the blood. Has/is this being done? (Would be helpful in the buying/selling decision of foals)

Don't know for sure, but if it can be tested for, that still doesn't mean it will produce the large heart. The best we can do is look at performances and take educated guesses as to the presence of the large heart in XFactor lines, at least until autopsy time anyway. Although, it would seem the size of the heart could be determined via ultrasound?

[turninforhome10]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circula....22X_factor.22
The link is very useful. Knowing that the 4 major lines that X factor comes from, the horse must have one of the 4 on a direct tail female in order to inherit this.
The horses listed by Blue Chip do not have this feature so if he could share where this info came from?
California Chrome gets his through Princequillo from his 6th dam, Princess Matoaka by Princequillo.
Chito gets through 6th Dam Tsessebe by Buckpasser x Princequillo
General A Rod get through 7th dam Blue Hen Boudoir by Mahmoud
Commanding Curve through 7th dam Blue Hen Alablue by Blue Larkspur.
That what I have
This link is very good but more for genetics. http://www.pedigreepost.net/archives...DWDavidge.html
and this is my research http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...0&postcount=15

I think the $388 exacta is right here. And we continue the x-factor dominance.

[turninforhome10]

It was also a big weekend for the foundation mare Brighton View. She is the tail-female line of On Fire Baby,Untapable and Danza.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/on+fire+baby
http://www.pedigreequery.com/untapable
http://www.pedigreequery.com/danza7
This is the line of Olympio and Winchell has done well with it.
Here is some later descendants, that some might find it useful to look for family members.

[turninforhome10]

First 2 yo race at CD in 2014 and the x-factor runs 1-2 as big chalk

Cinco Charlie http://www.pedigreequery.com/cinco+charlie Mahmoud
Far Right http://www.pedigreequery.com/far+right Princequillo and immediate family of California Chrome.
I would watch the Stonebriar-http://www.pedigreequery.com/stonebriar
It is my firm belief through a strong study of Secretariat that it is the mare Cinq A Sept that gives the large heart.

[turninforhome10]

Cinq A Sept http://www.reines-de-course.com/Arti...20A%20Sept.htm

[turninforhome10]

The Belmont Stakes historically has been the true test of stayer. 1 1/2 miles as a 3yo and only one chance to make to the trip.
My research has consisted of looking for only those horse that come from the true female x-trail (mtDNA on female tail line). I have only looked for those horses that carry one of the big 4
War Admiral-Triple Crown winner
Blue Larkspur-Belmont Stakes winner
Mahmoud-Epsom Derby
Princequillo-Jockey Club Gold Cup
When going through the recent last few years, the research revealed nothing remarkable as far as numbers go.
From 2013 we have
2000 Commendable-Cequillo x Princequillo
1997 Touch Gold-Happy Mood x Mahmoud
1990 Go And Go- Wichuraiana x War Admiral
1986 Danzig Connection- Classicist x Princequillo
Nice horses but not the numbers of the KY Derby.
Now is when it gets interesting
1978-Affirmed-Native Valor x Mahmoud
1977- Seattle Slew-Myrtlewood x Blue Larkspur
1973- Secretariat- Somethingroyal x Princequillo
The last 3 Triple Crown winners is when the hair kind of stood up on the back neck.
1970-High Echelon-Native Charger x Princequillo
1967-Damascus-Bar Nothing x Blue Larkspur
1957 Gallant Man-Majideh x Mahmoud
That would be the list
10 winners
3 Triple Crown winners
This years Belmont Stakes carriers are
California Chrome- Princequillo
Commanding Curve-Blue Larkspur
Horses carrying possible x-factors donors
Tonalist-Buckpasser
Ride On Curlin- Storm Cat
Records have been double checked. Any thoughts?

[turninforhome10]

Or better yet, which of the probables would you breed to in order to win the Belmont?

[raybo]

IMO, the Xfactor possibility must accompany performances that suggest a higher possibility of having and expressing the gene. So, with respect to these 4 horses, for breeding, specifically to win the Belmont, my breeding order of preference would be:

1. California Chrome - Due to his highly consistent, variable running style, performances thus far. I think he can run any distance, from sprints to long routes in graded stakes company. Very flexible and has a lot of heart, physically large or not, but of all 4 horses I would say CC has the best chance of actually having a larger than normal heart as he can run fast early and still finish strong, a tell-tale sign of better than average respiratory systems, both heart and lungs.

2. Ride On Curlin - Has run 11 races thus far and has finished out of the money only 3 times, and is a come from behind horse who expends his energy very late, which is important at the Belmont due to the long stretch and deep surface.

4. (tied) Commanding Curve - Out of the money in only 2 of his 7 starts, and has run 1 1/4m finishing 2nd in the Derby, losing to CC. Right running style for the Belmont.

3. (tied) Tonalist - Lightly raced and never over 1 1/8m, but he has beaten some good horses, and was 1st or 2nd in 3 of his 4 starts. Need to see more races from this one.

[turninforhome10]

Belmont Large Heart
The previous contenders
Cali Chrome
Commanding Curve
General A Rod (he will run a big race with a smaller field and less chance to get in trouble)
New Shooters
Matuszak- Mahmoud through 6th dam Mumtaz and then picks up a Buckpasser.( This horse could be a nice animal and with Mott anything is possible)

After looking at the last 60 years of the Belmont it also seems that Man O War on the tail female has also done quite well. Will post numbers later, took 4 days off to get ready for Saturday.
With Man O War comes Matterhorn who gets from 8th dam Firetop who is the ancestress of Nijinsky II.

[BlueChip@DRF]

Matterhorn comes from the family (8-f) that took the 2004, 2006, 2007 Belmont.

[turninforhome10]

Originally Posted by BlueChip@DRF

Matterhorn comes from the family (8-f) that took the 2004, 2006, 2007 Belmont.

Jazil and Rags to Riches are relatives with Matterhorn all tracing back to Torpenhow. Nice

[sbcaris]

To All: I have found that having Buckpasser in the X passing position is a dynamite tool for the Belmont Stakes when it is combined with final fraction time of 37 4/5 or less in a stake race at 9 furlongs.

The winner of this years Belmont stakes, Tonalist qualified on this angle. So too, did the place finisher, Commissioner, and the two horses that dead heated for fourth place-- California Chrome and Wicked Strong.

So, four of the five horses that comprised the superfecta this year all fit the above criteria.

In fact using the above criteria has been very successful in the Belmont stakes since 1992.