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Tara73 · 04-16-2014, 02:08 PM

Can someone recommend an offshore ADW that accepts wagers from all states?

ReplayRandall · 04-16-2014, 02:34 PM

I overheard a conversation of bankers at a convention in Las Vegas talk highly of an off-shore site out of Panama City.......betonline.ag

egreen · 04-17-2014, 10:43 AM

I've used AllHorseRacing.ag for years. Nice platform, outstanding customer service, quick payments, just positive all the way around.

Mineshaft · 04-17-2014, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ReplayRandall

I overheard a conversation of bankers at a convention in Las Vegas talk highly of an off-shore site out of Panama City.......betonline.ag

but do they pay track odds?

BettinBilly · 04-18-2014, 11:08 AM

I have a friend in Hawaii (illegal gambling state) that told me he uses AllHorseRacing.ag
He stated that he's not had any issues with them.

I would imagine that since he's a fairly serious player, if they didn't pay track odds, he'd have mentioned that. No one has ever discussed betonline around me so I can't chime in on that one.

Dave Schwartz · 04-18-2014, 01:56 PM

Please note: I am not trying to be a buzz-killer here. This is just the reality of our era.

If you are looking for track odds, you will have to go with a LEGAL bet-taker as they are the only ones with co-mingled pools. Those will ALL demand legal residency requirements.

The other alternative is to bet with an ILLEGAL bookmaker. And make no mistake - they are illegal FOR YOU, from your state.

In that case you will probably have no problem signing up, but it is very unlikely that you will receive FULL track odds. There are always limits on pay-outs. Also, if you are a winning player of some significance, expect to have your wagers curtailed or shut off completely at some point.

highnote · 04-18-2014, 05:06 PM

I agree with all of Dave's points below. I'd also add that if the "illegal" offshore ADW decides to close up shop you will likely lose the money in your account.

I have lost money with 3 different offshore bookmakers when they went out of business. One was called inter-bets.com and the other was ibetx.com. inter-bets.com just closed up shop one day and never returned my balance. ibetx.com was bought, I seem to recall, and would NOT return my money. Lost about $50 each with those two.

interjockey.com also kept a few dollars of mine when they closed up shop.

I can't remember if it was xpressbet or Ameritab that also kept a dollar or two when they closed my account. I think it was xpressbet. It was only a dollar, but still, it was my money, not theirs.

There are some "legal" offshore ADWs that work with U.S. racetracks. So I want to be clear about the difference between illegal and legal.

Now that I think about it, it might not make a difference whether the ADW is legal or not. Once they've got your money it may not be easy to get it back.

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Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz

Please note: I am not trying to be a buzz-killer here. This is just the reality of our era.

If you are looking for track odds, you will have to go with a LEGAL bet-taker as they are the only ones with co-mingled pools. Those will ALL demand legal residency requirements.

The other alternative is to bet with an ILLEGAL bookmaker. And make no mistake - they are illegal FOR YOU, from your state.

In that case you will probably have no problem signing up, but it is very unlikely that you will receive FULL track odds. There are always limits on pay-outs. Also, if you are a winning player of some significance, expect to have your wagers curtailed or shut off completely at some point.

Unome · 04-19-2014, 12:42 AM

Bookmaker.eu is the only offshore site I would play at, they have been in business forever, they have a spotless record paying players, have decent rebates and and probrably highest payout odds for exotics.

Offshore Books aren't a ADW but if you live in a state where you can't play it's your only option other than playing with a local bookmaker which isn't much of a option.

Robert Goren · 04-19-2014, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Unome

Bookmaker.eu is the only offshore site I would play at, they have been in business forever, they have a spotless record paying players, have decent rebates and and probrably highest payout odds for exotics.

Offshore Books aren't a ADW but if you live in a state where you can't play it's your only option other than playing with a local bookmaker which isn't much of a option.

Moving or not playing at all are both better options than playing with an offshore book. At some point you have to make a decision on what is important to you. If playing the ponies is important, then move. Do you really want to be involved with a risky illegal behavior the rest of your life? It is not going to get any easier the longer you put it off.

Unome · 04-19-2014, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Moving or not playing at all are both better options than playing with an offshore book. At some point you have to make a decision on what is important to you. If playing the ponies is important, then move. Do you really want to be involved with a risky illegal behavior the rest of your life? It is not going to get any easier the longer you put it off.

You have a better chance of getting a speeding ticket everyday next month than being arrested for betting offshore.

Robert Goren · 04-19-2014, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Unome

You have a better chance of getting a speeding ticket everyday next month than being arrested for betting offshore.

True, but you have a real chance of being scam out of your money. I played Poker online and was scammed twice. Once by Full Tilt , the second largest poker site and once by another player on Absolute. You have no legal recourse when you are knowingly involved in an illegal enterprise. Plus this stuff always rears its ugly head at the most inconvenient time.
Then there is the problem you have with yourself when you are involved in an ongoing criminal activity. I know not everybody has those qualms, but ........
Somebody a lot wiser than me said "The road to jail has a lot of small stepping stones and not many side roads off"

thaskalos · 04-19-2014, 12:52 PM

I am surprised that independent local bookmakers aren't mentioned more in discussions like these. I know that not many of them take bets on horses anymore, and that they are not a bargain on the exotics bets...but they are not a bad choice when it comes to straight betting.

Most local bookies offer full odds up to 15-1 on win bets, and 6-1 to place...they are now "computerized"...they offer "credit"...and the chances of you not getting paid are next to nil.

What more could the resident of a non-betting state want?

BettinBilly · 04-19-2014, 05:55 PM

Indeed.

I toyed with the idea a few years ago of moving to Hawaii since many of my friends live there, and my vocation does very well there.

Then thought, no horse wagering or betting of any kind allowed and the closest Track is 1800 miles away.
They call this paradise?

Predator35 · 04-19-2014, 11:24 PM

The sites mentioned betonline and bookmaker are both top class. 5dimes is better though IMO but you cant go wrong with any of those 3.

Just yesterday I played just under $400 worth of exotic wagers and recieved a $35 rebate the next morning.

mannyberrios · 04-20-2014, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BettinBilly

Indeed.

I toyed with the idea a few years ago of moving to Hawaii since many of my friends live there, and my vocation does very well there.

Then thought, no horse wagering or betting of any kind allowed and the closest Track is 1800 miles away.
They call this paradise?

forget about Hawaii