TimeformUS winning Derby speed figures

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

I definitely don't see any freakish horses like War Emblem in this years derby. That derby it was a 1-2 wire to wire exacta.I remember all the hype of how much speed & front runners there was gonna be & no one wanted to burn themselves out, so they let War wire the field with slow fractions, a very boring derby!

Was just looking at the chart of that Derby. I don't think there were any greats behind War Emblem. Proud Citizen and Perfect Drift rounded out the tri. Harlan's Holiday was the beaten favorite and Medaglia d'oro was in that field.

Interesting what riders were in that Derby. Obviously Bailey was in there, but Pincay, Delahoussaye and McCarron were all still riding. I thought they were all retired by 2002. Day would've ridden Buddha, but he scratched. Chavez and Rene Douglas also had mounts in the race. Rene probably would still be riding if not for his accident 5 years ago.

[Exotic1]

Originally Posted by cj

Very few horses that "explode" to a big new top in the race prior to the Derby back it up.

Thanks for all the work, Cj. I think I will have to extend my Timeform subscription.

With regards to the Derby fig, historically would the winner need to produce a new "top" compared to their preps or would the winning fig match something on the horse's resume? I guess that would somewhat depend on the competition of the Derby entrants.

One more thing, what was it about the Wood that you found exceptional, particular segments, final time, strength of field?

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by cj

Sounds right on the first two, but I disagreed strongly with that 98 in WE's allowance race. Way back in the day I posted here how I liked him in the Illinios Derby because of that, and he beat Repent easily.

Oh yes.....fond memories......

Still one of my fav horses of all time.

I don't think Baffert did much at all. In fact I believe he's said that all he did was "not screw him up"

[Speed Figure]

I couldn't see how the Beyer number was so low for that race. My numbers had his race before the Ill derby as very strong. If a horse has run a new top that he's never run before and it's 10 + points higher then it's race last race then I'll say it may bounce if it's a low price.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Exotic1

Thanks for all the work, Cj. I think I will have to extend my Timeform subscription.

With regards to the Derby fig, historically would the winner need to produce a new "top" compared to their preps or would the winning fig match something on the horse's resume? I guess that would somewhat depend on the competition of the Derby entrants.

One more thing, what was it about the Wood that you found exceptional, particular segments, final time, strength of field?

I posted a chart earlier with what the winners for the last 10 years had run in the race prior, there lifetime top, and the Derby figure...that should help with the first one.

The Wood was just a fast race all around, early, middle, and late. Of course, that takes into account the surface it was run on.