TimeformUS winning Derby speed figures

[cj]

Originally Posted by TheEdge07

Cj, with the the major preps now completed in your opinion who ran best in the toughest prep?

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[cj]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

Cj......are these speed figs after the derby was fun or are they the races leading up to the derby?

Here is what I have for the last 10. It lists Derby figure, prior race, and lifetime best before the Derby if not in the prior race:

[SecretAgentMan]

Thanks Cj, much appreciated.......gotta love those 120's in Smarty Jones & Big Brown.

Cj, how has your speed figs done over all with figuring out who will win the derby? Also, when you incorporate your figs into this years batch, what else do you look at to solidify a horse to wager on? Thanks in advance!

[cj]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

Thanks Cj, much appreciated.......gotta love those 120's in Smarty Jones & Big Brown.

Cj, how has your speed figs done over all with figuring out who will win the derby? Also, when you incorporate your figs into this years batch, what else do you look at to solidify a horse to wager on? Thanks in advance!

I have to check on Smarty Jones, those might be a little off. I think the calculations were a little different back then. Big Brown's are legit though for sure.

The figures have been very solid over the years. The horses I've learned to be leery of are those that run a big number out of nowhere in the race prior to before the Derby. The figures usually do a good job of isolating the contenders and from there I go with the odds. Trips usually play a big part in the outcome of the Derby, more than any other race.

[SecretAgentMan]

The only posts I don't like are the 1 & 2 hole. I know you have Wicked Strong as a high number but I just think he's a fluke. I never like horses that can't run on different tracks.

[cj]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

The only posts I don't like are the 1 & 2 hole. I know you have Wicked Strong as a high number but I just think he's a fluke. I never like horses that can't run on different tracks.

To be fair to Wicked Strong, he drew impossible outside posts at the mile and a sixteenth distance at Gulfstream, and both tracks sure looked to be speed favoring as well. I also think at least one of the races featured a very slow pace (off the top of my head.) I think both races were total throw outs for him. Still, I would have liked to see him do a little more running regardless of the tough circumstances he faced.

[Longshot]

CJ will Timeform US be offering an advance version PPs for say the top 24
possible Kentucky Derby horses.

[cj]

Originally Posted by Longshot

CJ will Timeform US be offering an advance version PPs for say the top 24
possible Kentucky Derby horses.

I just asked, will post more when I know.

[cj]

We will not be doing that this year, but I will provide a figures version in the next few days and post it here.

[Longshot]

Thanks CJ

[plainolebill]

Thanks CJ!

[SecretAgentMan]

Cj, when trying to figure out the winner of the derby, doyou also look at beyer figs, Tomlinson ratings & if so, does it help to pick the winner or eliminate horsesby combining all 3?

[cj]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

Cj, when trying to figure out the winner of the derby, doyou also look at beyer figs, Tomlinson ratings & if so, does it help to pick the winner or eliminate horsesby combining all 3?

No, I don't use any of that other stuff. I've been using my own numbers since the late 90s. I used to look at the Beyers, but I never do any longer.

[soupman2]

CJ said: The figures have been very solid over the years. The horses I've learned to be leery of are those that run a big number out of nowhere in the race prior to before the Derby.

CJ how do you mean you are leery? That if they run a big number out of nowhere they are a contender or a bounce candidate? No sure how you are leery.

Thanks for the good info.

Bob

[Robert Fischer]

CJ

Can't wait to see the Pace Projector for the Derby field.