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Old 04-11-2014, 03:25 AM   #31
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Big Browns was :45, definitely faster paces up front than Chromes 1st q mile but the final time of Chrome was better. IMO, if Espinoza doesn't slow Chrome down in the stretch, the final time IMO is 1:45.......
Aside from going quick early, Brown had that outside post in his final prep which for that track is usually a significant stressor in and of itself. Barbaro and, to a greater degree Big Brown ran into the teeth of that bias showing that they could not only run fast enough, but do it while experiencing adversity.

California Chrome's San Felipe win would be a contrast to that. He used his superior tactical speed to decisively grab a dream trip early and Grade3 horses like Midnight Hawk and Kristo were running for minor awards before the first quarter mile was in the books.

In California Chrome's Santa Anita Derby he was a little tight early, but it materialized into a very good trip.

We have to go back to his losses to find more adversity. In the Del Mar Futurity 9/04/13 - He got pretty good setup for a belated rally. Unfortunately he was blocked late while making a move, so it was difficult to tell where he would have finished.
In the Golden State Juv. 11/01/13 - California Chrome was off a bit slow and used a ton of energy making headway early on the backstretch. He was then shuffled back again. It was a game effort. Had he been able to break better, or even settle and not waste energy, rather than climbing through the field prematurely like he did, he could have won that race.
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Old 04-11-2014, 07:49 AM   #32
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Smarty's 1st q mile in Ark derby was :46, Big Browns was :45, definitely faster paces up front than Chromes 1st q mile but the final time of Chrome was better. IMO, if Espinoza doesn't slow Chrome down in the stretch, the final time IMO is 1:45.......
The times you list are half miles not quarter miles.


You can't use raw times from one race to the next at the same track if they work on the track between races.

Trying to compare raw times over different tracks and in different years isn't going to work.It's why figure makers have to assign a variant to each race/card they do.

Santa Anita is the Autobahn of race tracks.You have 12k claimers there cutting the fractions in routes that graded stakes horses would have trouble running at deeper tracks.
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Old 04-11-2014, 09:00 AM   #33
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Big Brown's Florida Derby showed more class than anything California Chrome has done so far.

Santa Anita Derby was definitely Chrome's best display of class, because he overcame some bumping, but we haven't seen a lot of going against the grain from him yet.
We have similar definitions of class.
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Old 04-11-2014, 11:00 AM   #34
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That's why I like this site, everyone has different methods of capping the derby.......but only 1 horse will be the winner. Ready for the last 2 big prep races to be over with so we can get down to the nitty gritty......
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Old 04-11-2014, 11:53 AM   #35
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That's why I like this site, everyone has different methods of capping the derby.......but only 1 horse will be the winner. Ready for the last 2 big prep races to be over with so we can get down to the nitty gritty......
I agree with you two more preps and then we will see who is a contender or pretender. happens every year about this time!
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Old 04-11-2014, 12:01 PM   #36
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The times you list are half miles not quarter miles.


You can't use raw times from one race to the next at the same track if they work on the track between races.

Trying to compare raw times over different tracks and in different years isn't going to work.It's why figure makers have to assign a variant to each race/card they do.

Santa Anita is the Autobahn of race tracks.You have 12k claimers there cutting the fractions in routes that graded stakes horses would have trouble running at deeper tracks.

LoL......yes they are half mile times.
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Old 04-13-2014, 12:35 AM   #37
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Tapiture is a throw out after that dismal display.......
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Old 04-13-2014, 09:15 AM   #38
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Tapiture is a throw out after that dismal display.......
It's sort of amusing given the owner didn't move him from Asmussen because he supposedly didn't want to mess the horse up by moving to another barn.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:42 AM   #39
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My final list of horses I'm interested & think they can win the derby.......


Cali Chrome

Hoppertunity

Medal Count (ran a big race coming back in 8 days)


Now we gotta wait 17 days for the post draw......mean while, the only thing interesting until then are the workouts.
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Old 04-13-2014, 11:47 AM   #40
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It's sort of amusing given the owner didn't move him from Asmussen because he supposedly didn't want to mess the horse up by moving to another barn.

Sad case for Asmussen......his mind gotta be running 20 different ways, wonder if he can concentrate st all.
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Old 04-13-2014, 06:18 PM   #41
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I will be tossing any Tapit until one proves to me a Tapit can win the Derby.
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Old 04-13-2014, 06:31 PM   #42
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I've always had a low opinion of Tapiture, and all the praise he got for the "trouble" in the Rebel Stakes was odd. Tapiture only looked good in his previous starts because either the competition was bad or they didn't show up on that day.

He's not going to hit the board.
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Old 04-13-2014, 07:36 PM   #43
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I wouldn't be so quick to toss Uncle Sigh just yet. Lost all chance at the break in the Wood. If he gets in could be a factor. Any one have any thoughts on Ride on Curlin,always running and trying hard, if he gets in could be a play a role in the exotics.

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I will definitely have ROC as a an exotics play. Seems to always try and should be in the right spot behind the speed but I don't think he has the needed extra gear and seems to always finish 2/3.
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Old 04-13-2014, 08:08 PM   #45
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It's sort of amusing given the owner didn't move him from Asmussen because he supposedly didn't want to mess the horse up by moving to another barn.
Why is that amusing? Did EVERY owner move away from Asmussen? When you have a serious Derby contender it is hard to screw with was has been going well...
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