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They've set all sources handle records the last 2 years for the fall meet.
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04-02-2014, 02:42 PM
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clean money
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At times the keeneland surface (more so than other polytrack surfaces?) has it's own unique biases and seemingly a bit of equalizing randomness at times.
I thought it was interesting to bet, but it took some some crazy kind of spread wagers to hit that I wasn't comfortable using real money with.
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Keeneland has some days like this where they have some head-scratchers.
Today would have been a good day to try some .50 trifectas , and .10 supers with wide spreads.
paper bet
.10 superfectas
All except 2,12
with a double key of  
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cost = $403.20 return = $1954.02
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http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...AY=D&STYLE=EQB
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04-02-2014, 02:55 PM
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Fall Meeting All Sources Handle
2013--$142,999,271
2012--$140,931,575
2011--$131,732,478
2010--$120,859,773
2009--$122,525,256
2008--$109,487,796
2007--$133,210,885
2006--$140,456,180
2005--$124,922,163
2004--$125,776,943
2003--approx $126 million
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04-02-2014, 03:13 PM
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Screw PC
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Will wonders never cease!
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04-02-2014, 03:21 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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$100,000 of that is everyone to get out on the last race.
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04-02-2014, 04:00 PM
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Just another Facist
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I think the Jocks have as much to do with the show there as the plastic. Yet they are changing their game based on the surface. At least they were early on. I didn't follow the last two meets
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04-02-2014, 04:33 PM
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By a show of hands who is happy about the decision.   (I sure am.) |
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04-02-2014, 04:44 PM
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mine went to nothing......... just think........a reason to head back to Lexington and visit |
Agreed. It's on my hit parade now.
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04-02-2014, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker
2013--$142,999,271
2012--$140,931,575
2011--$131,732,478
2010--$120,859,773
2009--$122,525,256
2008--$109,487,796
2007--$133,210,885
2006--$140,456,180
2005--$124,922,163
2004--$125,776,943
2003--approx $126 million
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So it took 6 years to get back to 2006 levels.
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04-02-2014, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Striker
2013--$142,999,271
2012--$140,931,575
2011--$131,732,478
2010--$120,859,773
2009--$122,525,256
2008--$109,487,796
2007--$133,210,885
2006--$140,456,180
2005--$124,922,163
2004--$125,776,943
2003--approx $126 million
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They threw millions away that they could never get back with their little "Experiment". Hopefully they saved a few extra lives of some 5k claimers to have made it worth their while.
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04-02-2014, 06:02 PM
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Growth of 5% per year would have put them over $200,000,000, I guess it has been an expensive experiment.
Purses reflect the fact, they used to some of the best, now there just o.k. I can see why trainers are shipping to Belmont.
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04-02-2014, 06:37 PM
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So it took 6 years to get back to 2006 levels.
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That is a pretty unfair way to look at it. 2006 was an outlier compared to the two previous years. Hard to say synth really hurt the handle just by looking at those numbers.
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04-02-2014, 08:28 PM
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This is great news, especially with Churchill running their Sept. meet. This will give Kentucky about 8 months straight of dirt racing.
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04-02-2014, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ronsmac
This is great news, especially with Churchill running their Sept. meet. This will give Kentucky about 8 months straight of dirt racing.
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This is an underrated point you're making.....as not only does Keeneland lose money due to bettors waiting for established form, but other tracks lose money too because bettors are leery of betting races with 'plastic to dirt' form on some of the runners. Takes the 'guesswork' out of some part of the capping process and that in turn, creates bigger handle for everyone.
Same thing will happen next year at Del Mar when they go back to dirt, bettors can wade in with both fists betting the established SA form when it comes to DMR in July...but this year? What do you do? Buncha guesswork.
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04-02-2014, 09:36 PM
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Out-of-town Jasper
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Growth of 5% per year would have put them over $200,000,000, I guess it has been an expensive experiment.
Purses reflect the fact, they used to some of the best, now there just o.k. I can see why trainers are shipping to Belmont.
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Which dirt tracks grew their handle 5% per year since 2006?
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