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That's because in order to obtain a conviction, you need HARD EVIDENCE that the trainer was the one who actually administered the banned substances.
Short of videotape or a reliable witness (good luck finding one of those), no district attorney is going to forge ahead with this type of case knowing full well he won't win without hard proof.
Plenty of reasonable doubt can be raised (contaminated feed, rival trainer, groom, etc.) unless you catch the trainer doing it red-handed. Apparently, this might be the case in this instance since they wouldn't be going through all of these motions unless they had a solid case.
But NOBODY (Mineshaft, this is for you) should think for one moment this is the dawning of a new day...unless of course 24-hour surveillance equipment is installed in every barn/stall on the grounds...and good luck getting tracks to spend money on that...
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Might not be the dawning of a new day but I guarantee you every trainer and clocker will think twice about doing illegal stuff now.
I think they get a suspension and a fine(slap on wrist? and they will be back in action in 6 months
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11-22-2013, 11:15 PM
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meanwhile at parx..............................
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11-23-2013, 12:38 AM
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Imagine THIS guy >>>  eating popcorn.
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11-23-2013, 12:40 AM
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Local news video
http://local21news.com/news/features...onal-928.shtml
They catch them outside the courthouse
One of them literally runs away
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11-23-2013, 01:52 AM
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Did the prosecutor say that these events today should..."raise the confidence level of bettors"?
I don't know about that...
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11-23-2013, 02:34 AM
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One of them literally runs away
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that was david wells.
they've nabbed clyde (wells), but bonnie remains free.
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11-23-2013, 02:35 AM
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Might not be the dawning of a new day but I guarantee you every trainer and clocker will think twice about doing illegal stuff now.
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Until the effect wears off and the lure of easier money becomes too much to resist...
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11-23-2013, 02:51 AM
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Now these four people face decades in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.
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11-23-2013, 03:50 AM
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Did the prosecutor say that these events today should..."raise the confidence level of bettors"?
I don't know about that...
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Yeah, they said it will raise the level of bettors about a few seconds after the news anchor said "bettors won't bet getting their money back".
Hopefully the races in question come out in the trials, maybe we can have a class action lawsuit against the tracks, trainers and clockers, that would be nice to see that the horse wagering investors have some ability to become whole again.
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11-23-2013, 03:52 AM
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I find it interesting that this happened at a slots track..you know how slots tracks would LOVE to get rid of the horse racing and keep the slots, nothing like terrible publicity for horse racing to get the state govt to shut down the tracks and keep the slots.
California doesnt have slots, so they have no reason to make their horse racing product look bad....so, the brooms come out and the major horse death scandals just get swept under the rug, hoping we forget about it.
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11-23-2013, 06:58 AM
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Now these four people face decades in prison and hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.
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Even money they serve less than a year house arrest.
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11-23-2013, 07:42 AM
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Yeah, they said it will raise the level of bettors about a few seconds after the news anchor said "bettors won't bet getting their money back".
Hopefully the races in question come out in the trials, maybe we can have a class action lawsuit against the tracks, trainers and clockers, that would be nice to see that the horse wagering investors have some ability to become whole again.
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You are missing one group who actually benefitted. Those who bet on the winning horses. They have the money that somebody else should have according to you. So if you are going to sue the tracks, then you better sue the winning bettors as well.
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11-23-2013, 09:38 AM
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At about 30 seconds in a reporter asks Sam Webb, "These charges came as a complete surprise to you?" Webb, "Yeah". Reporter, "Why is that". Webb, "I don't know". I started laughing. 
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11-23-2013, 09:57 AM
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My 2 cents:
1) these guys kept running horses because they hadnt yet been arrested. Cnat stop guys from training on the 'threat' or 'investigation'
2) it is a good start, though I'd like to see a second state and the RICO invoked. It wont celan everything up...but would take a big step in that direction
3) There are a lot of honest horsemen. Smearing all of them with this (as some of the posts here have done) is a terrible thing to do.
4) Surprised the FBI spent as much resource on this as they did. Have to wonder if there is something else brewing. Did sound like others at PEN are being looked at. But I would like to see them nail a couple of guys in NY or CA to really send the message - big or small, cheat and you can be toast.
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11-23-2013, 10:07 AM
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You are missing one group who actually benefitted. Those who bet on the winning horses. They have the money that somebody else should have according to you. So if you are going to sue the tracks, then you better sue the winning bettors as well.
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The owners of the horses fit this as well. Bet they had no idea anything was going on..... 
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