This could get very interesting (Penn arrests)

[nijinski]

Originally Posted by 098poi

On some level I think giving false workout reports is lower than doping horses and that is pretty low to begin with.

Looks bad that he took money for this .

Doesn't make his employer too proud either .

[Relwob Owner]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

True, no doubt, i agree. We have to take one step at a time, but if someone actually goes to the big house, that would be party time.

I agree. Any progress is a good thing but the enforcement piece seems to leave so many ways for people to get out of real punishment.

[TonyK@HSH]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...ing_in_PA.html

deb jones ‏@Shortsqueeze2 59m
So far those arrested this am at Penn are: David Wells, Danny, (clocker), Trish Rogers, Sam Webb

Come on turn- please try to be careful when commenting on this serious matter. Michelle Francis was NOT arrested today.

Tony

[Beachbabe]

Originally Posted by stuball

If Webb was caught on May 2, 2013 how does he get to run 71 horses
between then and now..........................?

Stuball

This is what baffles me, too. One was caught in May; the other in August and the third has been found doing this for years , yet they still went on plying their trade till the feds took them away.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Relwob Owner

I agree. Any progress is a good thing but the enforcement piece seems to leave so many ways for people to get out of real punishment.

Yep, lawyers are good at their jobs, and there are plea bargains available i would imagine, so we shall see, hopefully they go hard at prosecuting them.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Yep, lawyers are good at their jobs, and there are plea bargains available i would imagine, so we shall see, hopefully they go hard at prosecuting them.

Maybe its the cynic in me, but I think they've already accomplished their goal by dragging these people out and making headlines in the local papers with allegations of race fixing.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

this was the first time i have seen a case like this get prosecuted anywhere, let alone federally.

That's because in order to obtain a conviction, you need HARD EVIDENCE that the trainer was the one who actually administered the banned substances.

Short of videotape or a reliable witness (good luck finding one of those), no district attorney is going to forge ahead with this type of case knowing full well he won't win without hard proof.

Plenty of reasonable doubt can be raised (contaminated feed, rival trainer, groom, etc.) unless you catch the trainer doing it red-handed. Apparently, this might be the case in this instance since they wouldn't be going through all of these motions unless they had a solid case.

But NOBODY (Mineshaft, this is for you) should think for one moment this is the dawning of a new day...unless of course 24-hour surveillance equipment is installed in every barn/stall on the grounds...and good luck getting tracks to spend money on that...

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

This is an incredible day for racing.

This is an isolated case at best...I've already outlined why this type of thing will not be a common occurrence going forward unless tracks embrace 21st century (hell, even 20th century will do) surveillance techniques.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

This is an isolated case at best...I've already outlined why this type of thing will not be a common occurrence going forward unless tracks embrace 21st century (hell, even 20th century will do) surveillance techniques.

I hear you and unfortunately, that is probably going to be the case. I just like planting the seed that if you cheat, you could be next. I think at worst, they accomplished that.

[menifee]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

This is an isolated case at best...I've already outlined why this type of thing will not be a common occurrence going forward unless tracks embrace 21st century (hell, even 20th century will do) surveillance techniques.

If the Feds wanted to make these cases they could. Like most federal cases, they just would need to work the cases from the bottom up to the trainers. If they can bring down mafia figures, I think they can capture Jamie Ness if they care to.

[Rise Over Run]

Originally Posted by menifee

If they can bring down mafia figures, I think they can capture Jamie Ness if they care to.

I'm pretty sure that Ness is considered an Untouchable. Somewhat ironic?

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by Rise Over Run

I'm pretty sure that Ness is considered an Untouchable. Somewhat ironic?

Good one ROR.

[shouldacoulda]

So when can we expect a refund on those wagers we were defrauded out of?

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by Rise Over Run

I'm pretty sure that Ness is considered an Untouchable. Somewhat ironic?

HAHA

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by shouldacoulda

So when can we expect a refund on those wagers we were defrauded out of?

File a suit in small claims court and let us know how it goes!