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10-11-2013, 06:56 PM
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Apple 2GS Wiz
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Clarion, Pa
Posts: 8,478
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ADW dumps me
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10-11-2013, 08:10 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Originally Posted by Ray2000
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haha, you live in a generally backwards state.. where you cannot buy beer and wine at the same store, cannot bet via most adws if you live within 35 mi of the state monopoly gamer - Meadows or something like that.. wait..how come i know all this? 
centre county.
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10-11-2013, 08:21 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: JCapper Platinum: Kind of like Deep Blue... but for horses.
Posts: 5,287
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It's not your ADW, Ray. (They aren't the ones behind this.)
It's the Pennsylvania Tracks and Horsemen. THEY are the ones who lobbied the legislature for the 10% source market fee.
They did it fully knowing that it would cause many ADWs to stop doing business with Pennsylvania residents.
Looking at it - and given that Pennsylvania horsemen have been getting millions of dollars in slots subsidies over the years- and given the insane trifecta takeout at PEN and PARX (it's 30%.)...
I'm wondering if the right thing to do is ask all players everywhere to consider a national players boycott of Pennsylvania tracks. (Texas too.)
Jeff Platt
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10-11-2013, 08:54 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Crap I'm pa also...any other adws dump is? Only reason I am adw is because meadows closed multiple otbs near me in the past few years..kinda silly to close the otbs and then boot the adws away also..
ease of access is typically something businesses want for there customers...lol not this industry
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10-12-2013, 12:36 AM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
Posts: 16,316
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The problem may not be with the fee itself, but with the amount of paperwork it requires.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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10-12-2013, 07:32 AM
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Apple 2GS Wiz
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Clarion, Pa
Posts: 8,478
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Thx for info, Jeff, Robert
I have accounts with 4 (now 3) ADWs that take wagers from Pa residents and this appears to be an individual business decision, not a total ban, so I can see reduced rebates coming but maybe not a complete halt to my game.
We'll see how it goes.
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10-12-2013, 12:05 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 17,095
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I am watching TVG, and just saw an ad for PABets.com. I don't remember ever seeing that. Is that a new ADW just for PA residents?
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10-12-2013, 01:19 PM
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Apple 2GS Wiz
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Clarion, Pa
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thx for the tip, clocker
they'll let me bet but..... "no soup for you"  (pennsylvania)
https://pabets.tvg.com/resource-cent...vicesavailable
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10-14-2013, 11:39 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 582
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Originally Posted by Jeff P
It's not your ADW, Ray. (They aren't the ones behind this.)
It's the Pennsylvania Tracks and Horsemen. THEY are the ones who lobbied the legislature for the 10% source market fee.
They did it fully knowing that it would cause many ADWs to stop doing business with Pennsylvania residents.
Looking at it - and given that Pennsylvania horsemen have been getting millions of dollars in slots subsidies over the years- and given the insane trifecta takeout at PEN and PARX (it's 30%.)...
I'm wondering if the right thing to do is ask all players everywhere to consider a national players boycott of Pennsylvania tracks. (Texas too.)
Jeff Platt
Pres. HANA
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Add New York to that list. I'm sure many ADWs will be looking at shutting down there as well at the end of the year.
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10-15-2013, 06:58 AM
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Journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Syracuse, New York
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Originally Posted by startngate
Add New York to that list. I'm sure many ADWs will be looking at shutting down there as well at the end of the year.
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Call me out of the loop here but what potential ADW issues are NY people looking at ?
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10-15-2013, 08:15 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 582
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Originally Posted by AceInTheHole
Call me out of the loop here but what potential ADW issues are NY people looking at ?
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$20,000 yearly license fee + 5% source market fee starting in 2014.
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10-15-2013, 10:51 AM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
Posts: 16,316
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Originally Posted by startngate
$20,000 yearly license fee + 5% source market fee starting in 2014.
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What is it now?
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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10-15-2013, 01:46 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 582
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
What is it now?
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Nothing.
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10-15-2013, 03:54 PM
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Racing Form Detective
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
Posts: 16,316
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I have heard that NYRA already charges very high fees for it signal. If that is true and this goes on top of it, it would make rough on the ADWs. Is this new "tax" just NY residents or is it on anybody that bets their signal?
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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10-15-2013, 09:12 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 582
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All wagers (not just New York tracks) from NY residents.
Basically if you play someplace where you get rebates, figure they are going down 5% across the board, or your ADW of choice may leave the State altogether.
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