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03-07-2015, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
You can bet on 1X today in the feetch.
Not just 1 or 1a, but 1x.
3 for the price of ...uh, 3.
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Not sure what you mean...An entry is an entry.....It is one betting interest.
I'm looking at TVG's on line tote....It's a coupled entry for wagering purposes.
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03-07-2015, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
Not sure what you mean...An entry is an entry.....It is one betting interest.
I'm looking at TVG's on line tote....It's a coupled entry for wagering purposes.
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And its a good thing they were coupled too because its important for integrity.
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03-07-2015, 07:21 PM
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And its a good thing they were coupled too because its important for integrity.
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I was looking for an answer to my question.
Thanks
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07-06-2015, 02:39 PM
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07-06-2015, 04:32 PM
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This is a step in the right direction. Entries are absurd.
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07-06-2015, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by pandy
This is a step in the right direction. Entries are absurd.
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I can see both sides of it. Will be interesting to see how certain trainers that control the claiming game in New York take advantage of this. What the new rule does is make it even more "people racing" than "horse racing" in my opinion. Some people like that, some don't.
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07-06-2015, 04:52 PM
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I agree, there are people that like entries, but I believe that surveys have shown well over 65% are opposed to them.
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07-06-2015, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pandy
This is a step in the right direction. Entries are absurd.
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They are absurd until an investigation discovers unusual betting patterns and/or manipulation of the finishing order...
Hopefully every one involved will remember to maintain integrity.
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07-06-2015, 05:23 PM
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What is the purpose of entries? What's the logic?
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07-06-2015, 05:44 PM
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What is the purpose of entries? What's the logic?
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The intent was to stop trainers from playing games.
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07-06-2015, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
They are absurd until an investigation discovers unusual betting patterns and/or manipulation of the finishing order...
Hopefully every one involved will remember to maintain integrity.
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Yep, that is the danger.
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07-06-2015, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
The intent was to stop trainers from playing games.
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But can't they play games anyway? Same w jocks if a jock is riding for a trainer who has 2 in the race he might help out the other trainers horse without even caring if its coupled or not.
This may be a bad example but the Ramsey horse in the big race at Monmouth who won wasnt there another Ramsey 99-1 rolling on the front end? They weren't coupled but were probably ridden the same way coupled or not.
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07-06-2015, 06:56 PM
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What is the purpose of entries? What's the logic?
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The intent is to prevent horses of common ownership from being used to manipulate the order of finish or to create a desired order of finish for the purpose of cashing wagers
Hey, back in the day, it was much worse.
So for example there were 4 horses in which two had a common trainer and two others with common ownership....And let's say the ownership was in part one of the trainers that was part of the two other trained by him....That would result in an entry of 4 horses.
Coupled entries were not a real issue when most fields were full...Now with short fields and the ridiculous number of scratches, entries are a big PITA
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07-06-2015, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by thespaah
The intent is to prevent horses of common ownership from being used to manipulate the order of finish or to create a desired order of finish for the purpose of cashing wagers
Hey, back in the day, it was much worse.
So for example there were 4 horses in which two had a common trainer and two others with common ownership....And let's say the ownership was in part one of the trainers that was part of the two other trained by him....That would result in an entry of 4 horses.
Coupled entries were not a real issue when most fields were full...Now with short fields and the ridiculous number of scratches, entries are a big PITA
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Can't they have separate betting interests and if there's rider manipulation, hand down a huge fine and suspension to deter that behavior? Why put the onus on the horseplayer?
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07-06-2015, 08:23 PM
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But can't they play games anyway? Same w jocks if a jock is riding for a trainer who has 2 in the race he might help out the other trainers horse without even caring if its coupled or not.
This may be a bad example but the Ramsey horse in the big race at Monmouth who won wasnt there another Ramsey 99-1 rolling on the front end? They weren't coupled but were probably ridden the same way coupled or not.
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The only way to detect this is unusual betting patterns.
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