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Old 07-08-2013, 01:34 PM   #31
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I'd give you the numbers if I had them. I would guess they don't have a + ROI over such a huge number of races, but I don't think it was tested yet. One of the goals of the numbers is to actually tell you which horses ran fastest, not which horses are the best value. Those are two very different things.

I could probably produce a figure that would be close to a break even ROI over a very large set of races, but would win less than 10% of the time. This is not what customers want in my opinion.
What is the added value of TUS? At least, what does it offer so I should decide to try it? That's all I'm asking. Need a reason to buy in and spend time doing the research.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:36 PM   #32
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What is the added value of TUS? At least, what does it offer so I should decide to try it? That's all I'm asking. Need a reason to buy in and spend time doing the research.
Try it out with their free races and see if you like it.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:39 PM   #33
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All he said was that he didn't need a new number for himself. I think he was positive about the idea of getting help with foreign shippers. I didn't see his post as being negative. Maybe y'all have butted heads before.

What are Cj's Pace Figures? A reference no doubt to the poster cj.
You read me correctly. This is a new product. Give me a reason to want to even test it. Pretty graphs and pictures do nothing for me. There are a lot of all encompassing numbers, why should I bother? the shippers are the only reason that I can see at the moment.
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You're touting Bris, which, yes, many of us use in conjunction, in the past with Cj's Pace Figures. You haven't any real knowledge of TimeFormUS, yet you're able to form an opinion with one quick look. I'm not getting into a pissing match with you. But regaling Bris is not what the thread is about. Mind--less.
Get off your righteous. The fact is that I don't have any real knowledge of TimeFormUS. That's why I am asking what does it have to offer. BRIS just happens to be what I know, a point of reference for further discussion.
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Instead of continually asking what it has to offer, why don't you go to their site and EDUCATE yourself about it...then you will have a better idea of whether or not you want to use it.

I am guessing that neither CJ nor anyone else with TUS is going to give you a personal tutorial and tour of the site.
You are a big boy - go see for yourself.
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Get off your righteous. The fact is that I don't have any real knowledge of TimeFormUS. That's why I am asking what does it have to offer. BRIS just happens to be what I know, a point of reference for further discussion.
I simply brought to attention--the obvious. Now, you're carrying on and repeating yourself. Maybe do what Phantom suggested. If you like what you see, good. Stick around and learn more about the product. If its not for you, quietly let it go and move on. No loss for you or TUS. That's really all there is to it.
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Yes, I am the figure maker and had some input on the design. The color coding, for example, was a staple of my program.
I didn't know you were involved. Knowing that will cause me to take another look. I've been a beta tester since the beginning and was most excited about figures to compare foreign horses. Personally, I found it a bit unclear, and I shared those thoughts during testing.

I think the pace projector is very good and tends to be accurate, it's just that for me, it usually matches what I project, so it didn't save me time on my handicapping. For someone who's visual though, I could see it being a great asset.

The pp's are much more simplified and clear than others I've seen, and I'm a big fan of that. I use custom pp's that come out of jcapper, so I only supplement my handicapping process with regular pp's. I don't have need for a lot of the information, and these pp's showed me just the right amount.

It is still being improved, so I don't have any final verdict, but I definitely like it much better than other PP's out there in the market. Not sure if I find enough added value to add it to my arsenal, but if I was playing with bris or equibase pp's, I would switch in a heartbeat.

There are certainly some very smart, very good horseplayers involved, even more so now that I know CJ is involved. That's enough for me to keep an eye on the improvements and see how the finished product comes out.
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I simply brought to attention--the obvious. Now, you're carrying on and repeating yourself. Maybe do what Phantom suggested. If you like what you see, good. Stick around and learn more about the product. If its not for you, quietly let it go and move on. No loss for you or TUS. That's really all there is to it.
What non-sense.
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I didn't know you were involved. Knowing that will cause me to take another look. I've been a beta tester since the beginning and was most excited about figures to compare foreign horses. Personally, I found it a bit unclear, and I shared those thoughts during testing.

I think the pace projector is very good and tends to be accurate, it's just that for me, it usually matches what I project, so it didn't save me time on my handicapping. For someone who's visual though, I could see it being a great asset.

The pp's are much more simplified and clear than others I've seen, and I'm a big fan of that. I use custom pp's that come out of jcapper, so I only supplement my handicapping process with regular pp's. I don't have need for a lot of the information, and these pp's showed me just the right amount.

It is still being improved, so I don't have any final verdict, but I definitely like it much better than other PP's out there in the market. Not sure if I find enough added value to add it to my arsenal, but if I was playing with bris or equibase pp's, I would switch in a heartbeat.

There are certainly some very smart, very good horseplayers involved, even more so now that I know CJ is involved. That's enough for me to keep an eye on the improvements and see how the finished product comes out.
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We know what it takes to make a Beyer fig or a BRIS fig. I didn't find an explanation of what makes the timeformUS fig? Is there one?
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:39 PM   #42
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We know what it takes to make a Beyer fig or a BRIS fig. I didn't find an explanation of what makes the timeformUS fig? Is there one?
Right on the front page...

http://timeformus.wordpress.com/2013...speed-figures/

And lets not pretend like BRIS spells out the figure process they use, because they don't.
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Instead of continually asking what it has to offer, why don't you go to their site and EDUCATE yourself about it...then you will have a better idea of whether or not you want to use it.

I am guessing that neither CJ nor anyone else with TUS is going to give you a personal tutorial and tour of the site.
You are a big boy - go see for yourself.
Spot on Phantom, you forgot to add this picture for good effect though..

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Althought, I agree with Robert (Fisher's) assessment. it is better to ignore people who act like trolls, rather than engaging in a futile war of words.
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I see that cards can currently be purchased for $1.50 through the TVG store (this is a fantastic deal, btw). Does anyone know whether this is the plan going forward, or if there will be subscription plans through Timeform itself in the future?

I think I'd have a tough time moving away from DRF pps just from habit, but I certainly plan on using these to supplement my handicapping. The site looks absolutely fantastic.
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I see that cards can currently be purchased for $1.50 through the TVG store (this is a fantastic deal, btw). Does anyone know whether this is the plan going forward, or if there will be subscription plans through Timeform itself in the future?

I think I'd have a tough time moving away from DRF pps just from habit, but I certainly plan on using these to supplement my handicapping. The site looks absolutely fantastic.
There will be subscription plans available, details to follow this week.
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