Gotta Withdraw? NTRA/NHC tournament in Vegas now requiring masks in Tournament Room.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

First off, stop reading Andy's comments about me and READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE.

I never wrote you should SHUT UP ABOUT IT.

And I never CRITICIZED HIM until he CAME AT ME FULL THROTTLE

Maybe it's you guys who should calm the **** down and read what people actually write before you jump down their throats.

Here's the INSANE THING I WROTE that started it all:

Never said a WORD about SHUTTING UP or you can't express your feelings.

Sorry, you're not telling the truth. Nothing about any of my posts was FULL THROTTLE. Who's being melodramatic?

[Jayhawk6191]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Actually, fully vaccinated people aren't getting very sick and dying. It's a VERY, VERY, VERY rare occurrence, if you believe the reports.

Latest stats I saw were 99%+ of those dying from COVID or the delta variant are UNVACCINATED.

Then why are you arguing for masks? Make the no shot takers deal with masks

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Compassion for what exactly?

This specific situation...you can keep yourself completely safe by not going.

As can everyone else who shares your concerns.

I spent a week in a casino not too long ago...maskless (I am 100% vaccinated)...and not only that, people were smoking all around me.

If I had concerns, I wouldn't have gone.

For the honest, heartfelt, life concerns of fellow human beings. And not random people. You have interacted with both Andy and myself for years. Some good some not so good. But at the end of the day it's not for me to decide how you should act. So I'll leave it alone.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by Jeff P

How hard would it be for the NHC to partner with an ADW or tournament site who, in turn, would set up the equivalent of staging accounts for the 700 plus contest players?

I'm thinking if that were to happen players would have a choice:

• Attend the contest live.

• Or submit contest plays remotely.


-jp

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I don't know about the local Las Vegas Rules. That aside I'm very sure one of the larger Tournament sites have the software to conduct this tournament online. The vast majority of the qualifiers are done that way.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk6191

Then why are you arguing for masks? Make the no shot takers deal with masks

Except I'm not arguing for masks.

I'm not arguing for anything.

All I'm saying is if the host says you gotta wear masks, and you can't wear a mask, I guess you're outta luck.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

For the honest, heartfelt, life concerns of fellow human beings. And not random people. You have interacted with both Andy and myself for years. Some good some not so good. But at the end of the day it's not for me to decide how you should act. So I'll leave it alone.

What the heck are you talking about?

The CDC, up until a day or two ago, said vaccinated people could go around without masks, inside and out.

Now they are saying they should wear masks where there are large concentrations of cases.

It's not my job to make sure everyone else out there gets vaccinated and/or wears masks. That's up to them.

I know what is acceptable for me. And you know what is acceptable for you.

If we're talking about helpless children, that's another story. But pretty sure, helpless children aren't allowed in a handicapping tournament, mask, no mask, covid or no covid.

So again, please spare me the needless drama about "life concerns of fellow human beings."

As if you're now some grand humanitarian looking out for the unwashed masses?

Jesus, is that you?

[CheckMark]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Except I'm not arguing for masks.

I'm not arguing for anything.

All I'm saying is if the host says you gotta wear masks, and you can't wear a mask, I guess you're outta luck.

This right here guys is what I was going to say

PA you said it perfectly sir

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by CheckMark

This right here guys is what I was going to say

PA you said it perfectly sir

And we're all aware that if they stick to the requirement many of us will withdraw. Some of us are trying to convince them to reach a reasonable settlement. Maybe they will and maybe they won't but we have to try

[Suff]

We're living in a time on uncertainty. We're all on the same pandemic path like it or not. Patience - humility, flexibility and understanding come in handy.

Two months ago Saratoga was talking about 20% attendances. Now it's packed and I've seen complaints about understaffing , overfilled trash receptacles, etc.


We have to understand that NYRA is putting things together on the fly. They were prepping for 20% and went full Nelson on a short window.

The NHC thing sucks but let me share the real. 80% of the time your mask is off or down on your chin. All you have to do is keep a drink in front of you, or a hotdog.


Masks primary benefit is that they keep people conscious of the environment. That leads to less risky behavior such as packing an elevator, or kissing a Vegas ho-ho.

The only real reason not to go is you genuinely don't want to take the risk of picking up whatever the F this thing is.

[Andy Asaro]

Originally Posted by Suff

We're living in a time on uncertainty. We're all on the same pandemic path like it or not. Patience - humility, flexibility and understanding come in handy.

Two months ago Saratoga was talking about 20% attendances. Now it's packed and I've seen complaints about understaffing , overfilled trash receptacles, etc.


We have to understand that NYRA is putting things together on the fly. They were prepping for 20% and went full Nelson on a short window.

The NHC thing sucks but let me share the real. 80% of the time your mask is off or down on your chin. All you have to do is keep a drink in front of you, or a hotdog.


Masks primary benefit is that they keep people conscious of the environment. That leads to less risky behavior such as packing an elevator, or kissing a Vegas ho-ho.

The only real reason not to go is you genuinely don't want to take the risk of picking up whatever the F this thing is.

Right. I would have the mask under my nose the whole time and I doubt they would like that or accept that. Between the restricted breathing and the glasses fogging up it makes for a miserable experience.

[Suff]

Originally Posted by Suff

We're living in a time on uncertainty. We're all on the same pandemic path like it or not. Patience - humility, flexibility and understanding come in handy.

Two months ago Saratoga was talking about 20% attendances. Now it's packed and I've seen complaints about understaffing , overfilled trash receptacles, etc.


We have to understand that NYRA is putting things together on the fly. They were prepping for 20% and went full Nelson on a short window.

The NHC thing sucks but let me share the real. 80% of the time your mask is off or down on your chin. All you have to do is keep a drink in front of you, or a hotdog.


Masks primary benefit is that they keep people conscious of the environment. That leads to less risky behavior such as packing an elevator, or kissing a Vegas ho-ho.

The only real reason not to go is you genuinely don't want to take the risk of picking up whatever the F this thing is.

PA , ARCHIVE the above post. I'm going to make it into an NFT. I'm naming it "Suff, Voice of Reason".

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk6191

Then why are you arguing for masks? Make the no shot takers deal with masks

I believe the entire situation with the masks revolves around liability and not logic. Given the latest CDC proclamations, allowing a maskless event in a crowded ballroom would certainly open the hotel and event operator for legal problems if a participant got infected, died or had a bad result.


If, in fact, 99%+ of the deaths and/or bad results are happening to unvaccinated people why would a vaccinated person need to wear a mask? And why would they care if an unvaccinated person didn't wear a mask?

[Suff]

Originally Posted by Andy Asaro

Right. I would have the mask under my nose the whole time and I doubt they would like that or accept that. Between the restricted breathing and the glasses fogging up it makes for a miserable experience.

In my experience, having never stopped moving no matter what. All florida including the hard rock , few smaller casinos, jai-lai, trotters, greyhounds, poker rooms, and Gulfstream, nobody enforces masks ON! if you're eating, drinking or smoking.

Common sense we all agree, masks offer little protection if it's all around you, or for prolonged exposure inside anywhere.

It's like putting a muzzle on a dog for behavior. Reality.

It's a prop. Has benefits.

[SandyW]

I live in LAS VEGAS and the way things are going right now with the spread of this virus I would not be surprised if by the time the NHC come up that all the casinos will be on lockdown again. I give it a 90% chance of another lockdown unless there is a dramatic turn around in the spread of this virus.
LAS VEGAS has people coming in from all over our country and the world and not knowing who may be carrying these new variants of Covid-19 is leading to this major uptick in new cases.
LAS VEGAS right now is the hottest city in the country for new cases and hospitalizations for this deadly virus.
As of 12:01 AM Thursday Governor Steve Sisolak has made wearing a mask mandatory in all indoor locations including casinos at all times under penalty of fines.

[Suff]

If you go, and you're flying it will seem like a mask vacation. On planes they patrol the aisle, maskup please, maskup sir , and the passengers are snitching people to the flight attendants the entire flight. .