South Carolina Church Shootings

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by dartman51

Just like banning drugs cleaned up our streets, right?

But it did work well for Prohibition, right?

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Did you hear Obama speak? Do you have any idea the context he used it in? Just in case you don't, he used the real word instead saying something like the "N word" to describe something that was racist.

Personally I have no problem with it, however, had Bush used it in any context his career and presidency would blown up in his face.
Flags and words aren't the problem with race relations. It's simply a tool to get leverage by blacks. The words and flags have been around forever. Get over it.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by TJDave

What percent chance would there be of a black Clinton-Gore supporter wearing that button?

I couldn't tell you, but probably minimal.

That's not my point though. I haven't been arguing that some people don't or shouldn't take offense to it. They obviously do and have good reason to or we wouldn't be having this discussion. I've simply been arguing that displaying the Confederate flag is not always a racist action as the left would have you believe.

[Tom]

Some people see racism everywhere they look.
To not do so would force them into a reality they are not prepared to live in; one without built in excuses.

Instead of rallying around removing a flag, why not do something productive and rally outside a Wal Mart that dropped the flags but still sells guns? Lack of conviction on the left is rampant.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Tom

Instead of rallying around removing a flag, why not do something productive and rally outside a Wal Mart that dropped the flags but still sells guns? Lack of conviction on the left is rampant.

Seems to me WalMart was selling rebel flags and guns all the years that Hillary was on the Board of Directors.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

That's not my point though. I haven't been arguing that some people don't or shouldn't take offense to it. They obviously do and have good reason to or we wouldn't be having this discussion. I've simply been arguing that displaying the Confederate flag is not always a racist action as the left would have you believe.

This isn't a left vs. right issue.

ELKabong says it better.

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...1&postcount=31

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...3&postcount=33

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...3&postcount=36

http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...2&postcount=56

[FocusWiz]

Honestly, there were black southerners who supported the confederacy and the southern cross, but they were few.

http://www.confederateamericanpride....federates.html

The flag used to stand for more than racism, but has, as many symbols have, changed its meaning over time.

Few alive today can understand the civilization of the South that was threatened by the industrialized North. For all intents and purposes, they have lost the war for their lifestyle and civilization despite their attempts to keep it alive.

Racism is alive and well in America. Eliminating a flag will not change that, but since the flag has been adopted as a symbol of hate, it no longer stands for the Old South as it once did and it is time for this once great symbol to be relegated to museum pieces.

[Tom]

Racism is alive and well in America. Eliminating a flag will not change that, but since the flag has been adopted as a symbol of hate, it no longer stands for the Old South as it once did and it is time for this once great symbol to be relegated to museum pieces.

I don't think it stands for anything different to the people who line in the South than it ever has. Outsiders who seek to prevent unity and propagate division may be using it to symbolize their warped lives.

But is easier to attack a dormant flag than it is to face reality and actually do something.

[FocusWiz]

Yes, just as not saying certain words doesn't change biases, neither will taking down the flag.

Both just create certain politically correct environments.

Years ago, I attended the diversity training classes required by a major New York City bank. My comment on the course review was that it appeared that the goal of the course was not to change perspectives or improve acceptance of diverse population elements, but to teach managers how to hide their bigotry better.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

These campaign buttons are going to be collectables

I'd be pretty shocked if that was an officially sanctioned piece of campaign propaganda. I'd be willing to bet that some southern supporters of Clinton invented that button on their own and the national campaign had nothing to do with it...

[Tom]

If I remember correctly, all the official Clinton buttons had boobs on them somewhere.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I'd be pretty shocked if that was an officially sanctioned piece of campaign propaganda. I'd be willing to bet that some southern supporters of Clinton invented that button on their own and the national campaign had nothing to do with it...

How about the video of Bill Clinton embracing Orval Faubus on stage at his first inauguration ?

You might see that in a campaign ad.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

How about the video of Bill Clinton embracing Orval Faubus on stage at his first inauguration ?

Bill embraced everyone.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by TJDave

This isn't a left vs. right issue.

Racism is not a left vs right issue.

The meanings of the flag (plural) to different people is a left vs. right issue.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Racism is not a left vs right issue.

The meanings of the flag (plural) to different people is a left vs. right issue.

No, it's not. I've seen support for removal from both sides. I'm also confident that R.E. Lee would be a supporter.