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Old 04-02-2010, 10:06 PM   #1
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Santa Anita Breeder's Cup permanent home?

Article out from LA Times seems to indicate a strong likelihood that BC board of directors will vote this way April 22.

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Avioli says the controversy of Santa Anita's synthetic surface is not an issue, that there are new generations of improved surfaces ahead and that his group's only emphasis is on safety.

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Old 04-02-2010, 10:41 PM   #2
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Absolutely ridiculous. What would John Gaines be saying if her were alive to see this foolishness?

They are going to completely destroy the spirit of the Breeders' Cup. Half of what made it interesting was that it WAS held at a different venue every year.

If the BC and the NTRA feel this strongly about these UNDER-PERFORMING synthetic surfaces, I dare them to MANDATE surface changes for EVERY TRACK IN THE UNITED STATES.

Let them strip their little "safety badges" from EVERY TRACK that does NOT comply, and find a way to impose serious punitive damages on top of that...if they truly believe the only emphasis is on safety and they truly believe these artificial surfaces are all they were promoted to be...this should be priority number one.

Question: Why do horses continue to break down in high profile races over these synthetic tracks?
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:03 PM   #3
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It never ceases to amaze me how, with unbreaking consistency, in our industry whenever there is a decision to be made, the decision makers continue to make the bone-headed wrong choice.



In this instance it’s not even a question of synthetic versus dirt or east versus west or warm weather versus cold weather. It’s a question of splintering the industry versus cohesiveness among the players.



If they decide to continue the rotation there won’t be a single participant that complains. However, if they elect any one site as a permanent host there will be some group that objects and abstains from attending. That’s a fact and considering the many challenges ahead in our industry divisiveness is a cancer and there’s no place for it now more than ever.



Just wait until the fall tracks start to write their condition books with disregard for the Cup races as preps. You can bet that NYRA will write its major stakes races on dirt to compete head-to-head with any Cup races at Santa Anita thereby giving the true dirt horses a legitimate chance to earn their championship on their preferred surface. Cup races at Santa Anita on the synth will become novelty events with big purses for synth specialists. Over time The Breeders Cup will shrink to insignificance. It’s virtually impossible to make a case against this predicted outcome.



Nice job guys. I hope this turns out to be a false alarm or some bad April Fools joke.

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Old 04-02-2010, 11:36 PM   #4
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The only joke would be if they gave it again Monmouth Park again.
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:38 PM   #5
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Absolutely ridiculous. What would John Gaines be saying if her were alive to see this foolishness?

They are going to completely destroy the spirit of the Breeders' Cup. Half of what made it interesting was that it WAS held at a different venue every year.

If the BC and the NTRA feel this strongly about these UNDER-PERFORMING synthetic surfaces, I dare them to MANDATE surface changes for EVERY TRACK IN THE UNITED STATES.

Let them strip their little "safety badges" from EVERY TRACK that does NOT comply, and find a way to impose serious punitive damages on top of that...if they truly believe the only emphasis is on safety and they truly believe these artificial surfaces are all they were promoted to be...this should be priority number one.

Question: Why do horses continue to break down in high profile races over these synthetic tracks?


Well put in all senses.....my favorite was the "safety badges" comment....what a load of crap that whole program is......seems to me that the main motivators with this particular stupid decision by the powers that be are to keep promoting the awful bag of goods sold to us with synthetics and also, perhaps to globalize the racing,.....just depressing
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:10 AM   #6
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Absolutely ridiculous. What would John Gaines be saying if her were alive to see this foolishness?

They are going to completely destroy the spirit of the Breeders' Cup. Half of what made it interesting was that it WAS held at a different venue every year.

If the BC and the NTRA feel this strongly about these UNDER-PERFORMING synthetic surfaces, I dare them to MANDATE surface changes for EVERY TRACK IN THE UNITED STATES.

Let them strip their little "safety badges" from EVERY TRACK that does NOT comply, and find a way to impose serious punitive damages on top of that...if they truly believe the only emphasis is on safety and they truly believe these artificial surfaces are all they were promoted to be...this should be priority number one.

Question: Why do horses continue to break down in high profile races over these synthetic tracks?

What is frustrating to me is that there's not a single journalist out there who won't stick his neck out by asking the pertinent questions regarding what is going on with the Breeders' Cup and synthetic surfaces.

Remember, Dickinson had been hawking his surface for probably 15 years but no one would buy. When Keeneland becomes the NA distributor of Polytrack, suddenly it's declared the sport's savior, installed at Keeneland and Turfway, and then the terrible error of installing it in CA was made.

Who owns Keeneland and stands to benefit financially from the move to synthetic surfaces? Contrary to popular belief, Keeneland, while it was initially created as a non-profit, is not a non-profit, but is a privately owned track, controlled by a group of 3 men, one named Farish.

The Breeders' Cup, controlled by Farish, decides to hold its BC at a track with no dirt track, and for the first time declares that they had to go ahead and award the same track a consecutive year. That isn't believable.

There are those at the BC who are very much trying to force synthetics down our throats by putting the BC on synthetics (not as if anyone with a lick of sense couldn't see that), and Steve Crist reported that as late as last year, despite all the protests from horsemen, owners and fans, they talked about making it mandatory that any future BC site have a synthetic surface.

Now they're using another ploy, saying that we need to have the BC permanently at Santa Anita for marketing purposes and to grow revenue. Again, not believable at all, not when we know that Churchill Downs does the best job at hosting the event, not when we know that their real reason is the surface.

And finally, there's the injury reporting project, controlled by the Jockey Club. Everyone's been waiting to hear the results of how synth compares to dirt, and the results of the injury reporting project are no doubt going to be used to trumpet the case of one camp or the other. The data has been available since Nov. 1, but it wasn't released as promised in the middle of Nov (conveniently after the BC). We get into March, and it still wasn't released. They finally last week released one and only one stat -- the overall on-track mortality rate. No breakdown between dirt and synth and turf, though that's certainly as easy to obtain as the mortality rate over all 3 surfaces.

When can we expect the release of this data? Would anyone care to bet that it will be after April 22, when the BC announces their decision to go to SA permanently?

That's if it's released at all. Back in the mid-90s, there was a similar injury reporting project which released a pretty extensive report of its pilot period results. After getting its first full year's of results together, it was handed over to the Jockey Club, who again controlled the release of all data from the study. Despite repeated requests from the press, the JC never would release the data, and has never released it to this day.

Let me point out one more curiosity. Dr. Scallay reported the pilot results of the current project at the AAEP meeting two summers ago. One would think that if you're presenting data of a project that racing is holding as quite important that you'd be quite sure you're presenting the correct data.

At the AAEP meeting, in front of all her collegues, Dr. Scallay reported that the fatality rates on dirt and synth were virtually identical.

Within the week, a press release was issued that said Dr. Scallay was mistaken, and that the synth rates were actually lower than the dirt rates.

Something really, really stinks in all this, and I'm surprised by those who don't smell it.
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The problem with the breeder cup is that at the time of year it is held it is the rainy season on the east coast and Midwest where all of the major dirt tracks are. While I seldom bet poly, I never bet slop. And then there is the problem of what to do with the Turf races on a rain soaked track. If SA goes back to dirt then the idea of make it a permanent home becomes reasonable. To me the idea that a championship is decide on a muddy track is unacceptable. JMO
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The problem with the breeder cup is that at the time of year it is held it is the rainy season on the east coast and Midwest where all of the major dirt tracks are. While I seldom bet poly, I never bet slop. And then there is the problem of what to do with the Turf races on a rain soaked track. If SA goes back to dirt then the idea of make it a permanent home becomes reasonable. To me the idea that a championship is decide on a muddy track is unacceptable. JMO
Somehow we muddled through for 29 years.

It even rains for the Derby sometimes.
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Old 04-03-2010, 12:30 AM   #9
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It would not matter if the tracks were dirt - the idea is moronic.
It takes ever going to one live out of the realm of reality for 990% of race fans. California is not exactly an easy place to get to and who would really want to go there anyway?

Time for NYRA to step up and put on it's own big day at Belmont.
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Somehow we muddled through for 29 years.

It even rains for the Derby sometimes.
Waded is the right word there. And just maybe that is why no one outside the horse industry pays any attention to it. There is more money bet on Notre Dame that weekend than there is on the breeders cup races.
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Waded is the right word there. And just maybe that is why no one outside the horse industry pays any attention to it. There is more money bet on Notre Dame that weekend than there is on the breeders cup races.
Bad, bad analogy. As if it never rains or is cold at a football game?
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Bad, bad analogy. As if it never rains or is cold at a football game?
But when it comes to football, nobody cares about the weather. When it comes to horse racing, nobody cares period. That is the problem. JMO
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But when it comes to football, nobody cares about the weather. When it comes to horse racing, nobody cares period. That is the problem. JMO
And the weather on BC day is the reason? Highly doubtful. You're getting into a whole other area now.

Racing needs a central organization. Some people need to start asking exactly which men in racing are stopping that from happening.
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The only joke would be if they gave it again Monmouth Park again.
Robert, Monmouth just got unlucky with the rain. I just checked and the only months that get less rain than October in Oceanport NJ are February and June.

http://www.weather.com/outlook/trave...AToday&promo=0
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Jebus, the world of racing is going mad.
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