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12-31-2020, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by myohmyjustify
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that one makes tons of sense, the only problem is that Raffensperger doesn't have a brother!
https://www.thewrap.com/trump-brad-r...erger-georgia/
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12-31-2020, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MONEY
The problem with claiming election fraud in court against a state, is that each state is in charge of it's own election and can't defraud itself.
In other words, if the state officials in charge of the election are OK with fraudulent results then no fraud occurred.
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You are implying that certain states intentionally changed their voting procedures in order for Trump to lose the election. I believe this is the major Republican claim of "fraud".
I'm sure you are aware that the Constitution allows states to have their own voting procedures that are validated by their own Supreme Courts. If another state objects to a change in their voting policy they need to object to it before the election not after they see the results. This is why many of these Trump cases are thrown out of court. They are invalid due to their timing. Obviously if Trump won, they would have no objection to the "changes".
As far as the changes themselves, don't forget that Biden was way ahead in Texas,Ohio and even a bit ahead in Florida because those states counted the mail in ballots first. Then when the in person votes came in, Trump won.
In other states such as Pennsylvania and Georgia their "voting procedure" was reversed and counted the in person votes first and Trump was way ahead. Then when the mail in ballots came in Biden won. When Giuliani saw Trump was ahead by 400,000 votes in Pennsylvania, then lost, he said "Do you think we're stupid?" To which I say, Yes you are because the news kept explaining that this unusual tally would be the case depending on the state.
This was due in large part to the pandemic which forced these states to change their voting counting procedures and using a high level of mail in voting but none of this is illegal nor does it constitute "fraud". That's why the Trump team lost 60 cases including in the Supreme Court which was thrown out for trying to subvert the Constitution and states sovereignty.
IMO, Trump cost himself the election by downplaying the Corona Virus. If he just faked it like he gave a fook about thousands of Americans that he was sworn to Protect, dying of Covid instead of denying it, he would have won by a landslide.
Ironically he thought sweeping it under the rug would win him re election. Instead, being open and honest about it would have won him re election. He choked.
Last edited by Light; 12-31-2020 at 02:50 PM.
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12-31-2020, 03:13 PM
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#48
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12-31-2020, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Light
You are implying that certain states intentionally changed their voting procedures in order for Trump to lose the election.
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No I'm not.
What I wrote was that if an entity is OK with being cheated then the cheating is moot. The only people that could take action against the cheating are the state officials that are in charge of elections, but they are OK with the results. So case closed.
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12-31-2020, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Asaro
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Damn right!!! They know it is happening they just wont admit it much like the Supreme Court has no balls!!!!
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12-31-2020, 04:19 PM
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oh yes
Perdue is in quarantine for covid - I guess he is trying biden's game plan a sure fire winner-- OH WAIT he's a Republican and they refuse to cheat for him
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12-31-2020, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MONEY
No I'm not.
What I wrote was that if an entity is OK with being cheated then the cheating is moot. The only people that could take action against the cheating are the state officials that are in charge of elections, but they are OK with the results. So case closed.
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If that ^^^doesn't imply cheating, I don't know what does.
Before the election polls showed Biden ahead by 10% and Trumps job approval rating too low historically to ever be re elected. Should not be a surprise that Biden won.
Biden ran against a nincompoop president
who thinks you can nuke hurricanes
drink bleach
needs two hands to drink a glass of water while claiming his opponent is too old!
Takes a cognitive test where he has to memorize 5 words and says "they've never seen anything like him", the "stable genius".
Rex Tillerson Totally Called Trump a Moron
Steve Bannon said Trump is “Like an 11-year-old child”
The White House has become an adult day care center”—Republican senator Bob Corker of Tennessee
Gary Cohn Economic advisor said Trump is dumb as shit
H R McMaster National security advisor called Trump a dope
John Kelly Chief of staff called Trump "an idiot"
Etc
No cheating is required to beat someone like that.
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12-31-2020, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Light
If that ^^^doesn't imply cheating, I don't know what does.
Before the election polls showed Biden ahead by 10% and Trumps job approval rating too low historically to ever be re elected. Should not be a surprise that Biden won. Polls said Hillary couldn't lose.
Biden ran against a nincompoop president (Your Opinion)
who thinks you can nuke hurricanes (Terrible Idea)
drink bleach "(he never said that)"
needs two hands to drink a glass of water while claiming his opponent is too old! "(I do that sometimes, but don't have to)"
Takes a cognitive test where he has to memorize 5 words and says "they've never seen anything like him", the "stable genius". (He does think highly of himself)
Rex Tillerson Totally Called Trump a Moron (Opinion)
Steve Bannon said Trump is “Like an 11-year-old child”(Opinion)
The White House has become an adult day care center”—Republican senator Bob Corker of Tennessee (Opinion)
Gary Cohn Economic advisor said Trump is dumb as shit(Opinion)
H R McMaster National security advisor called Trump a dope(Opinion)
John Kelly Chief of staff called Trump "an idiot" (Opinion)
Etc
No cheating is required to beat someone like that.
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I do believe that there was some cheating, but I also believe that the courts do not have the power to do anything about it.
Trump LOST. It's over.
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12-31-2020, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MONEY
I do believe that there was some cheating, but I also believe that the courts do not have the power to do anything about it.
Trump LOST. It's over.
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So now the Demos know for sure that they have a license to cheat, at will. What a shame!
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01-01-2021, 10:14 AM
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'm sure you are aware that the Constitution allows states to have their own voting procedures that are validated by their own Supreme Courts.
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Actually the Constitution give the State Legislatures the power to enact the laws that govern how elections are conducted - not the Governor, Sec of State, or the State Supreme Court, which is what happened.
Biden was ahead in TX and OH, but that was in early in the voting, Trump had caught and passed Biden before the polls had closed.
Last edited by delayjf; 01-01-2021 at 10:19 AM.
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01-01-2021, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by delayjf
Actually the Constitution give the State Legislatures the power to enact the laws that govern how elections are conducted - not the Governor, Sec of State, or the State Supreme Court, which is what happened.
Biden was ahead in TX and OH, but that was in early in the voting, Trump had caught and passed Biden before the polls had closed.
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That's why I never got the objection from Republicans after the fact in PA as Act 77 for absentee ballots was passed with wide margins by the state legislature.
"In the Senate, where Act 77 passed 35-14, Republicans voted 27-0 in favor along with eight Democrats; all 14 dissenting votes came from Democrats. In the House, Republicans voted 105-2 in favor while Democrats were more divided — 59 against, 33 in favor."
https://www.publicsource.org/trump-p...it-originally/
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01-01-2021, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MargieRose
So now the Demos know for sure that they have a license to cheat, at will. What a shame!
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Then why didn't they rig the senate elections and why did they lose seats in the house? If they cheated they're pretty bad at it.
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01-01-2021, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Light
Then why didn't they rig the senate elections and why did they lose seats in the house? If they cheated they're pretty bad at it.
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Red herring
I apologize in advance for replying to you.
I know you're very sensitive.
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01-01-2021, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
Red herring
I apologize in advance for replying to you.
I know you're very sensitive.
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Thanks.
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01-01-2021, 05:54 PM
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what an easy game.
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My notes have concentrated on one man, trump.you boys and girls must have a brilliant mind set. Your notes seem to be concentrated on over 83 million other americans.
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