Biden waves the white flag on COVID

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Tom

Biden said it was going to be winter of death.......

"If science can't be questioned it's not science anymore it's propaganda & that's the truth" ~ Aaron Rodgers
( at 1:42)


https://twitter.com/i/status/1475918701107068939

Science should be questioned. By Scientists. Not idiot football players. And, when scientists disagree, how do you determine the truth? By use of the scientific method. By submitting your research to your peers in the scientific community. By allowing others to repeat your experiments and see if they get the same results and reach the same conclusions. Not by going on some crackpot internet show.

Rodgers is also full of it when he says nobody is talking about treatment options. Merck and Pfizer both have pills up for approval by the FDA that are very promising and there are medications which are administered by infusion that are already in use.

What we do not talk about are treatments that are not FDA approved and that can be dangerous.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Science should be questioned. By Scientists. Not idiot football players. And, when scientists disagree, how do you determine the truth? By use of the scientific method. By submitting your research to your peers in the scientific community. By allowing others to repeat your experiments and see if they get the same results and reach the same conclusions. Not by going on some crackpot internet show.

Rodgers is also full of it when he says nobody is talking about treatment options. Merck and Pfizer both have pills up for approval by the FDA that are very promising and there are medications which are administered by infusion that are already in use.

What we do not talk about are treatments that are not FDA approved and that can be dangerous.

Their pills are up two years after the pandemic started. After 800,000+ people are dead.

Most of those 800,000+ dead people received ZERO treatment prior to hospitalization, when certainly, the SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH shows that there WERE EFFECTIVE TREATMENTS available as early as MARCH/APRIL 2020.

SO...

**** YOU, liar.

The blood of those 800,000+ people is on YOUR HANDS. Old man cuck.

[Tom]

What we do not talk about are treatments that are not FDA approved and that can be dangerous.

You moron, when you are dying of Covid, or any disease, ANY treatment is worth talking about or trying. Where did you get your brains, the dead letter bin?

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by Tom

You moron, when you are dying of Covid, or any disease, ANY treatment is worth talking about or trying. Where did you get your brains, the dead letter bin?

Try this one

https://nypost.com/2022/01/03/uk-nur...-given-viagra/

Btw, my wife visited the Doctor today. Got a vitamin B12 shot. Apparently she had Delta variant but it’s still up in the air. Fever was gone in under 2 days. Treated with ibuprofen.

She has asthma from a young age and carries a rescue inhaler. Although since moving to a warmer climate she rarely uses it.

The fatigue lasted about 5-6 days (the really bad part) and she went back to work part time after 10 day quarantine, for a few days and finally back at 12+ hour shifts. She does have a slight cough that is persisting a little. But gets better every day. Her oxygen pulse-ox never went below 93, but that turned around overnight and stayed above 97 the rest of the time.

There is no way to determine what role her taking Ivermectin for 6 weeks prior had in her recovery. But……..

I did not contract Covid in spite of being the person taking care of her. Not to mention the normal day to day contact between husband and wife

I did have a period of about 1.5 days where my temp rose to 99.99 and I normally stay around 97.7, I had a few mild chills. But it all resolved overnight. I never tested positive. Ivermectin? I have been taking it 6 weeks also. We both have been taking high dose zinc and vit D, Who knows?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Who knows?

People know.

There have been ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC PEER-REVIEWED studies which show that both Hydroxychloroquine AND Ivermectin have efficacy against COVID-19 when given early in the disease process.

Those studies which claim Hydro & the HORSE DEWORMER are ineffective all were studies where the drugs were given LATE in the disease process.

Such stupidity...we're looking for effective tools to use BEFORE you end up having to go to the hospital...that's the whole point.

[Tom]

Trump was advocating we try treatments as early as March 2020. The great brains here mocked for that. In every way, it is evident Biden and Fauci are not trying to control the pandemic at all, but use it as political tool only.

[Jeff P]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Try this one

https://nypost.com/2022/01/03/uk-nur...-given-viagra/

Btw, my wife visited the Doctor today. Got a vitamin B12 shot. Apparently she had Delta variant but it’s still up in the air. Fever was gone in under 2 days. Treated with ibuprofen.

She has asthma from a young age and carries a rescue inhaler. Although since moving to a warmer climate she rarely uses it.

The fatigue lasted about 5-6 days (the really bad part) and she went back to work part time after 10 day quarantine, for a few days and finally back at 12+ hour shifts. She does have a slight cough that is persisting a little. But gets better every day. Her oxygen pulse-ox never went below 93, but that turned around overnight and stayed above 97 the rest of the time.

There is no way to determine what role her taking Ivermectin for 6 weeks prior had in her recovery. But……..

I did not contract Covid in spite of being the person taking care of her. Not to mention the normal day to day contact between husband and wife

I did have a period of about 1.5 days where my temp rose to 99.99 and I normally stay around 97.7, I had a few mild chills. But it all resolved overnight. I never tested positive. Ivermectin? I have been taking it 6 weeks also. We both have been taking high dose zinc and vit D, Who knows?

Ralph,

Great to hear she got better quickly. Also great to hear you have remained symptom free.

Re: The bolded part of the above quote --

A LOT of doctors and scientists have known for well over a year (based on the data from many clinical trials and published studies) that Ivermectin, Zinc, and Vitamin D, etc. are associated with decreased likelihood of severe cases.

Not only that, A LOT of doctors and scientists have understood for some time the mechanisms by which Ivermectin, Zinc, Vitamin D, etc. help patients reduce the likelihood of severe cases.

In layman's terms:

1. When Zinc is present in the center of our cells it inhibits viral replication.

2. Ivermectin is a Zinc Ionophore. As is Quercetin (which you can get plenty of from raw yellow onions.) A Zinc Ionophore is a substance that transports Zinc to the center of our cells where it needs to be to inhibit viral replication.

3. Vitamin D helps regulate this as well as many other processes carried out by our immune systems.

Even the NIH is aware of the importance of Zinc.

COVID-19: Poor outcomes in patients with zinc deficiency:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32920234/

Conclusions: The study data clearly show that a significant number of COVID-19 patients were zinc deficient. These zinc deficient patients developed more complications, and the deficiency was associated with a prolonged hospital stay and increased mortality.

Note how the NIH couched their conclusion.

They couldn't come out and say Zinc is beneficial to Covid patients.

What they DID say is that Covid patients with a Zinc Deficiency are MUCH more likely to suffer bad outcomes than patients who don't have a Zinc Deficiency.

But if they really cared about getting good outcomes for patients they'd be holding press conferences and telling people about the importance of Zinc, Zinc Iponophores, and Vitamin D3.


-jp

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[Jeff P]

Quoth the Raven | Jan 02, 2022
The Mainstream Media Is Losing The Fight Of Its Life...All Thanks To Joe Rogan:
https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p...-is-losing-the

I'm expecting one of the largest mainstream media pivots in history in 2022, catalyzed by capitalism and common sense.

Again, I don’t want to harp on the details of Robert Malone’s interview. I encourage you to watch it here.

But what I do want to say is that I’m predicting for 2022 that the media is going to make one of the biggest pivots on any topic it has ever made, on Covid.

“Shouldn’t be a problem,” you’ll think to yourself. “After all, the media follows the truth, so what’s so tough about making a pivot on a story?”

Let’s get real. We all know that the media - both sides of the aisle - hates to correct itself, hates to pivot and hates to do anything but double down on narratives that it is being fed regardless of whether or not they are objectively true.

For 2022, I’m gonna make a bold prediction. The media, and maybe even politicians, are going to start to realize that the narratives that they have been pushing with regard to Covid, lockdowns, vaccinations and our economy are no longer being accepted at face value by their viewers.

The same capitalistic engine keeping Joe Rogan on the air is going to force the change in legacy media.

While they may not correct themselves totally or do a full 180°turn, they will fall in line behind those breaking new ground in the space - content creators like Rogan - and they will start to commit more to reason and less to political narratives.

I feel confident in making this prediction because I’m confident that the survival of many media empires depends on it.

Imo, a pretty good article and an interesting prediction for 2022.


-jp

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[Zydeco]

Originally Posted by Tom

You moron, when you are dying of Covid, or any disease, ANY treatment is worth talking about or trying. Where did you get your brains, the dead letter bin?

Maybe here?

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[Jeff P]

By Margaret Menge | The Center Square | Jan 1, 2022
Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64:
https://www.thecentersquare.com/indi...c06725e2c.html

(The Center Square) – The head of Indianapolis-based insurance company OneAmerica said the death rate is up a stunning 40% from pre-pandemic levels among working-age people.

“We are seeing, right now, the highest death rates we have seen in the history of this business – not just at OneAmerica,” the company’s CEO Scott Davison said during an online news conference this week. “The data is consistent across every player in that business.”

OneAmerica is a $100 billion insurance company that has had its headquarters in Indianapolis since 1877. The company has approximately 2,400 employees and sells life insurance, including group life insurance to employers in the state.

Davison said the increase in deaths represents “huge, huge numbers,” and that’s it’s not elderly people who are dying, but “primarily working-age people 18 to 64” who are the employees of companies that have group life insurance plans through OneAmerica.

“And what we saw just in third quarter, we’re seeing it continue into fourth quarter, is that death rates are up 40% over what they were pre-pandemic,” he said.

Most of the claims for deaths being filed are not classified as COVID-19 deaths, Davison said.

“What the data is showing to us is that the deaths that are being reported as COVID deaths greatly understate the actual death losses among working-age people from the pandemic. It may not all be COVID on their death certificate, but deaths are up just huge, huge numbers.”

He said at the same time, the company is seeing an “uptick” in disability claims, saying at first it was short-term disability claims, and now the increase is in long-term disability claims.

“For OneAmerica, we expect the costs of this are going to be well over $100 million, and this is our smallest business. So it’s having a huge impact on that,” he said.

The CDC weekly death counts, which reflect the information on death certificates and so have a lag of up to eight weeks or longer, show that for the week ending Nov. 6, there were far fewer deaths from COVID-19 in Indiana compared to a year ago – 195 verses 336 – but more deaths from other causes – 1,350 versus 1,319.

These deaths were for people of all ages, however, while the information referenced by Davison was for working-age people who are employees of businesses with group life insurance policies.

At the same news conference where Davison spoke, Brian Tabor, the president of the Indiana Hospital Association, said that hospitals across the state are being flooded with patients “with many different conditions,” saying “unfortunately, the average Hoosiers’ health has declined during the pandemic.”

In a follow-up call, he said he did not have a breakdown showing why so many people in the state are being hospitalized – for what conditions or ailments. But he said the extraordinarily high death rate quoted by Davison matched what hospitals in the state are seeing.

"What it confirmed for me is it bore out what we're seeing on the front end,..." he said.

The number of hospitalizations in the state is now higher than before the COVID-19 vaccine was introduced a year ago, and in fact is higher than it’s been in the past five years, Dr. Lindsay Weaver, Indiana’s chief medical officer, said at a news conference with Gov. Eric Holcomb on Wednesday.

Has the excess mortality that started showing up in Europe a few months ago now made its way to the US?


-jp

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[PaceAdvantage]

GET THOSE BOOSTERS!

ESPECIALLY THOSE 18 and UNDER now that the FDA has just cleared boosters for 12-15yos!!!

HOORAY!

[JustRalph]

2 more boosters then I’m going rehab…….I promise

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

2 more boosters then I’m going rehab…….I promise

I’m gonna get a booster every 5 months. Got my second last Wednesday.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Science should be questioned. By Scientists. Not idiot football players.

Science should be questioned by EVERYBODY...and the scientists should alleviate our concerns. Saying that science should only be questioned by scientists is akin to saying that religion should only be questioned by theologians...which would, of course, be an absurd assertion.

Why should any legitimate institution ever fear being "questioned"...about ANYTHING?

[Elkchester Road]

Originally Posted by JustRalph

Try this one

https://nypost.com/2022/01/03/uk-nur...-given-viagra/

Btw, my wife visited the Doctor today. Got a vitamin B12 shot. Apparently she had Delta variant but it’s still up in the air. Fever was gone in under 2 days. Treated with ibuprofen.

She has asthma from a young age and carries a rescue inhaler. Although since moving to a warmer climate she rarely uses it.

The fatigue lasted about 5-6 days (the really bad part) and she went back to work part time after 10 day quarantine, for a few days and finally back at 12+ hour shifts. She does have a slight cough that is persisting a little. But gets better every day. Her oxygen pulse-ox never went below 93, but that turned around overnight and stayed above 97 the rest of the time.

There is no way to determine what role her taking Ivermectin for 6 weeks prior had in her recovery. But……..

I did not contract Covid in spite of being the person taking care of her. Not to mention the normal day to day contact between husband and wife

I did have a period of about 1.5 days where my temp rose to 99.99 and I normally stay around 97.7, I had a few mild chills. But it all resolved overnight. I never tested positive. Ivermectin? I have been taking it 6 weeks also. We both have been taking high dose zinc and vit D, Who knows?

Great to hear, Ralph.

Ralph