Trump signs tariffs

[Tom]

We are at 4% unemployment with a shrinking workforce. Who in the hell is going to fill them?

Really?

Ever hear of births - we add people every day.
ever hear of moving up, getting a BETTER job?

Duh.

Now I know you are just trolling.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Really?

Ever hear of births - we add people every day.
ever hear of moving up, getting a BETTER job?

Duh.

Now I know you are just trolling.

The lot of you really need to take Econ 101 again.

Who fills the job of the guy moving up? Nobody.

So they pay more for the same job and raise their prices to compensate. Kinda what is free traders have been saying all along and you guys agree whenever the $15/hr McDonald's worker comes up.

[Tom]

I'm talking about JOBS, not McJobs.
Lot more you need to learn about Reality 101.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

I'm talking about JOBS, not McJobs.
Lot more you need to learn about Reality 101.

You didn't answer the question.

We have a declining workforce population.

who fills the lower wage job if everyone advances?

Labor supply is a thing you know. We are low on it already.

[elysiantraveller]

European Union releases 10-page list of potential targets for retaliatory tariffs on U.S. products

The list offered the most detailed glimpse to date of the likely targets for E.U. action, including products selected for maximum political impact in the United States. Among them: bourbon, a specialty of Kentucky, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s home state; cranberries, which are grown in House Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s native Wisconsin; orange juice from Florida; and tobacco from North Carolina. Florida and North Carolina are considered political swing states with key electoral votes.

Wasn't China supposed to be the target of this Administrations trade policies? Not our strategic allies?

[Tom]

I answered it.
You just won't read it.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

I answered it.
You just won't read it.

Make babies was your answer?

[Clocker]

Speaking of swamps, as in another busy thread here today, it appears that there is a steel swamp in Washington. All of Trump's pro-tariff advisers have strong associations with the steel industry.

In 2011, Nucor, the largest steel company in the country, contributed $1 million to a non-profit to finance a movie made by Peter Navarro's production company.

The movie chronicles the erosion of the U.S. manufacturing base and China’s rise as an industrial power since the 1990s. Mr. Navarro co-wrote a book by the same name that was published in 2011. In the movie, Tom Danjczek, then-president of the Steel Manufacturers Association, points to the problem of Chinese steel overproduction due to government subsidies.

Dan DiMicco, who was chief executive of Nucor from 2000 to 2012, said the company paid for the film through the San Diego nonprofit at Mr. Navarro’s request.

As the WSJ documents:

Mr. Navarro is now a top trade adviser in the White House, with a growing public profile for his get-tough views on trade. His connection with Nucor underscores the wide-ranging, historic ties between Mr. Trump’s top trade advisers and the U.S. steel industry, which stands to benefit from tariffs the Trump administration recently imposed.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, a Wall Street veteran, spent more than $1 billion to purchase distressed steel firms and assembled them into a new company, International Steel Group Inc., which he sold for $4.5 billion to the London-based Mittal family in 2004, The Wall Street Journal reported at the time. He served on ArcelorMittal’s board until becoming commerce secretary last year.

Gilbert Kaplan, Mr. Trump’s nominee as undersecretary for international trade at the Commerce Department, is a former steel-industry lobbyist. U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer represented American steel companies as a lawyer in private practice before his current turn as the government’s top trade negotiator. The USTR’s nominated deputy, Jeffrey Gerrish, and his general counsel, Stephen Vaughn, lobbied on trade laws for U.S. Steel Corp.

https://www.nationalreview.com/blog/...nucor-edition/

[fast4522]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

European Union releases 10-page list of potential targets for retaliatory tariffs on U.S. products



Wasn't China supposed to be the target of this Administrations trade policies? Not our strategic allies?

They have only one play, a losing one. Half of this country thinks if a 30 % duty is placed on our cars entering their country we should be reciprocal to their cars. This is all very preliminary, this President believes in having much to negotiate with. This thought gives you and many others nausea, to this I say Tums are cheep enough.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by fast4522

They have only one play, a losing one. Half of this country thinks if a 30 % duty is placed on our cars entering their country we should be reciprocal to their cars.

Half of this country thinks that Hillary Clinton would have made a good president. I would prefer to use a little more intelligence and information in formulating policy.

Those tariffs are not placed on cars, they are placed on American citizens. Why deny Americans the choice to make their own decisions?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by fast4522

They have only one play, a losing one. Half of this country thinks if a 30 % duty is placed on our cars entering their country we should be reciprocal to their cars. This is all very preliminary, this President believes in having much to negotiate with. This thought gives you and many others nausea, to this I say Tums are cheep enough.

This has been covered and ignored by you... repeatedly.

They make their cars HERE.

We make our cars THERE.

Finally for those actually keeping score the EU charges a 10% flat tax. We charge 2.5% and 25% on trucks and vans.

[johnhannibalsmith]

You and your'e RBG elk just keep repeating the same lefty nonsense!

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

You and your'e RBG elk just keep repeating the same lefty nonsense!

Red blue green elk is my spirit animal...

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

You didn't answer the question.

We have a declining workforce population.

who fills the lower wage job if everyone advances?

Labor supply is a thing you know. We are low on it already.

You either end up waiting longer for your Big Mac or have to drive further to buy one, or 3rd option you cook your own burgers. Not sure of your age or where and how you grew up, but when and where I came from manufacturing used provide entry level non union jobs at 150%-200% of minimum wage and provided a career path for a decent living for those not college bound.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

You either end up waiting longer for your Big Mac or have to drive further to buy one, or 3rd option you cook your own burgers.

Ding! Things get more expensive.

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Not sure of your age or where and how you grew up, but when and where I came from manufacturing used provide entry level non union jobs at 150%-200% of minimum wage and provided a career path for a decent living for those not college bound.

My family owns a staffing company that staffs those jobs. Denso, Bissell, Whirlpool are some of the clients and I filled in on those positions from time to time growing up. The jobs are going away largely due to automation and that 150-200% above the minimum wage you talk about.

14.50*2080= $30,160

This is why those jobs are vanishing... they're too expensive.