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Pell Mell · 03-14-2010, 06:55 AM

I've watched the rerun of the TBD several times and I don't get that ride on Chucky.
I know they wanted to keep him closer to the pace but pressing SS?
Then coming into and in the stretch run Centeno was hand riding him. He didn't seem to really get into the horse.
In the SD he lagged way behind and then looped the field and now gets too close to the pace. I think Centeno has given Chucky a couple bad rides and he just doesn't fit the horse.
Rose did a nice job and so did the jock on the winner. Centeno is out of his league IMO.
Any thoughts?

OTM Al · 03-14-2010, 09:38 AM

Centeno's as good as those others. The horse however is not.

lamboguy · 03-14-2010, 09:48 AM

RAJIV knew ahead of time he couldn't beat charlie unless he pinned him on the rail. because of the blinkers the horse pulled at centeno and he went up to the front and was never able to get off the rail and MARAJ made sure of that. MARAJ got second run and got lucky and won the race. by the time chucky got free it was to late for him to make an impact.

this is just the case where the best horse in the race ran fifth. there are 50 riders trying to get on chucky today for his next race thinking they will do better.

garyoz · 03-14-2010, 09:54 AM

Overmatched glorified allowance horse. There are plenty of three year olds pretenders every year. Couldn't believe he was 5/2.

Rose's ride was flawed. Moved way too early. Usually he is a good judge of pace. He should have won the race. I wouldn't bring him back on the colt. No problem with Centeno's ride IMHO--

Tom · 03-14-2010, 10:55 AM

I bet him.
The only thing I know for sure now is that the glass is half empty.

andymays · 03-14-2010, 10:59 AM

Without going back and looking didn't he add blinkers for the race?

Maybe that had something to do with the awkward early position he put himself in.

lamboguy · 03-14-2010, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom

I bet him.
The only thing I know for sure now is that the glass is half empty.

the only thing he proved yesterday is that the blinkers got him closer to the pace. he didn't have the chance to show his ability yesterday. hopefully they have a better plan next time.

Bluto Blutarsky · 03-14-2010, 11:10 AM

Bob Hutt and the FLS partners turned down a 7 figure offer for Charly before the Sam Davis. Derby Fever overtook logic.
He now looks to be an ungraded stakes winner.

lamboguy · 03-14-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Bluto Blutarsky

Bob Hutt and the FLS partners turned down a 7 figure offer for Charly before the Sam Davis. Derby Fever overtook logic.
He now looks to be an ungraded stakes winner.

i heard the only one that wanted to sell the horse was seewald.
they didn't do a good job training him into the sam davis. he trained well into the race yesterday but seemed to have a problem first tiem blinkers. he showed me plenty of ability yesterday, just poor preparation. because he ran bad in the sam davis he was very behind in his learning process. he has one more chance to prove himself in the wood. that will be another tough task to overcome. he has a ton of ability, i hope they convert his ability into a great race.

Dahoss9698 · 03-14-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pell Mell

I've watched the rerun of the TBD several times and I don't get that ride on Chucky.
I know they wanted to keep him closer to the pace but pressing SS?
Then coming into and in the stretch run Centeno was hand riding him. He didn't seem to really get into the horse.
In the SD he lagged way behind and then looped the field and now gets too close to the pace. I think Centeno has given Chucky a couple bad rides and he just doesn't fit the horse.
Rose did a nice job and so did the jock on the winner. Centeno is out of his league IMO.
Any thoughts?

Rose did a nice job? In what way?

I think you're trying to make excuses because you have a connection to the horse. He's nice, just not Derby caliber IMO.

slew101 · 03-14-2010, 12:13 PM

I had the Rose horse to win and don't have a problem with his ride. The horse is a hanger. If you watched the Davis prep, he collared Rule then retreated once Rule came back on him.

After he looped the field on Saturday, I thought he might finish off the board in deep stretch because he was hanging so badly. I don't think any of the horses from this race will do much next out. I'd toss them all.

Dahoss9698 · 03-14-2010, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by slew101

I had the Rose horse to win and don't have a problem with his ride. The horse is a hanger. If you watched the Davis prep, he collared Rule then retreated once Rule came back on him.

After he looped the field on Saturday, I thought he might finish off the board in deep stretch because he was hanging so badly. I don't think any of the horses from this race will do much next out. I'd toss them all.

You don't have a problem with a jock moving so prematurely? What was the point of moving before they hit the turn? His move cost the horse the race.

lamboguy · 03-14-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss9698

You don't have a problem with a jock moving so prematurely? What was the point of moving before they hit the turn? His move cost the horse the race.

i have to agree with you. i can't beleive that odysious came back to win the race inbetween horses.

Robert Fischer · 03-14-2010, 01:18 PM

don't overlook that rose not only tackles Super Saver when dominguez was saving horse going into the stretch - at a time others were content to let him - but that School Yard Dreams also knocked Super Saver off stride and didn't let him change leads.

It was the trip that Super Saver figured, not anyone's idea that he was better than SYD or Odysseus that made him the worthy favorite coming in.
If Rose rides conservatively, I'm not sure that they catch Super Saver. Its hard to judge the difference between a horse with a positional advantage and a clean run, with a horse caught dueling during his rest, bumped, and not allowed to change leads. The tendency is to assume based on the outcome that a Super Saver type would have been caught easily.

If Rose doesn't take out the leader, it would have been Super Saver and School Yard Dreams in the exacta, which ever order you fancy. Odysseus would have run 3rd.

onefast99 · 03-14-2010, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluto Blutarsky

Bob Hutt and the FLS partners turned down a 7 figure offer for Charly before the Sam Davis. Derby Fever overtook logic.
He now looks to be an ungraded stakes winner.

Rule number 1 in this game, sell when the market value is the highest. The group is made up of some very nice people Seewald should have told them to sell. I know it's easy to say that after an effort like yesterday but they all would have made out well on a sale earlier in the year. The horse will make some good money at MP this summer.