Will we heal as Country "IF" Obama does a good job?

[pktruckdriver]

I see all the anger and upset people thru their posts here, and I do not ever see these people coming together, even if this Guy Obama does good.


Will he do good, can he even fix our problems facing this country?

1. economy
2. housing
3. jobs
4. world respect, not just fear
5. budget
6. credit banks/cu's credit card's, etc...
7. market trouble's 401k, etc..
8. energy crisis
9. our wars
10. planet earth issues

If so, how can he do it, let's hear how you think this countries problems can be fixed, since we have the wrong person in charge , then how would we fix things , even with him in there, as it should still be possible to do, no?


How can we fix these things with him in office, as that is reality.

Sitting here pouting about who won does not get things done, does it, it just causes more anger, or maybe enjoyment/laughter, who really knows for sure, but , to me it seems to be aggression that is being bantered about here freely, and yes that is ok, but does it have to be, as I too indulge in it , yes I do, but when it comes down to it, I do back off, and apologize if I go too far.


So can we make this scenario work for the country and fix our problems with the people available to do so, the ones we just elected into office to fix things, and then how long will this fix take to actually be noticed, and felt by those feeling it the most, the unemployed, the homeless/or soon to be(foreclosed) , the retired who have lost 1/2 or more of there retirement, when will they feel a change for the best, or will any of these people ever get back on track, with this President or any President for that matter.



Just my stupid thought for the day


God it would be nice if I could goto work again, I have been waiting for freight for over a week now, nothing, ( well there have been a few loads offered that were way too low in price to take, I do have to make money with my loads, and not do them for free either) and if these wheels don't turn I make no money, Man I sure hope things change soon, I think they will, as America has always , repeat always recovered from every situation it put itself in, the people have always found a way out of the current troubles, and made things good again, till the next crisis, right , the American way.

Patrick

[Hank]

Originally Posted by pktruckdriver

I see all the anger and upset people thru their posts here, and I do not ever see these people coming together, even if this Guy Obama does good.


Will he do good, can he even fix our problems facing this country?

1. economy
2. housing
3. jobs
4. world respect, not just fear
5. budget
6. credit banks/cu's credit card's, etc...
7. market trouble's 401k, etc..
8. energy crisis
9. our wars
10. planet earth issues

If so, how can he do it, let's hear how you think this countries problems can be fixed, since we have the wrong person in charge , then how would we fix things , even with him in there, as it should still be possible to do, no?


How can we fix these things with him in office, as that is reality.

Sitting here pouting about who won does not get things done, does it, it just causes more anger, or maybe enjoyment/laughter, who really knows for sure, but , to me it seems to be aggression that is being bantered about here freely, and yes that is ok, but does it have to be, as I too indulge in it , yes I do, but when it comes down to it, I do back off, and apologize if I go too far.


So can we make this scenario work for the country and fix our problems with the people available to do so, the ones we just elected into office to fix things, and then how long will this fix take to actually be noticed, and felt by those feeling it the most, the unemployed, the homeless/or soon to be(foreclosed) , the retired who have lost 1/2 or more of there retirement, when will they feel a change for the best, or will any of these people ever get back on track, with this President or any President for that matter.



Just my stupid thought for the day


God it would be nice if I could goto work again, I have been waiting for freight for over a week now, nothing, ( well there have been a few loads offered that were way too low in price to take, I do have to make money with my loads, and not do them for free either) and if these wheels don't turn I make no money, Man I sure hope things change soon, I think they will, as America has always , repeat always recovered from every situation it put itself in, the people have always found a way out of the current troubles, and made things good again, till the next crisis, right , the American way.

Patrick

NO. It does not matter what Obama does,the repugs will cast him as a failure, they have to. How will they defeat him next time if they don't?Both parties are part of a corrupt system that is all about a power grab.The pawns of both sides are simply motivated by different issues.

[pktruckdriver]

How bout this?



We change the 2 party system's, there are too many factions in them now anyway, correct?



How about a complete purge every 4-8 years or so, keeps the corrupt from staying on for life if they do not get caught to often, look at Ted Stevens, convicted, and still re-elected, good going Alaska.


So even to keep the country in the mess it is in they would rather Biytch about the new Prez that try to do what can be done to fix this country , by working together as the Congress was designed to do, but those day have been over for awhile haven't they.


Patrick
niave

[Secretariat]

Originally Posted by Hank

NO. It does not matter what Obama does,the repugs will cast him as a failure, they have to. How will they defeat him next time if they don't?Both parties are part of a corrupt system that is all about a power grab.The pawns of both sides are simply motivated by different issues.

Exactly.

[Show Me the Wire]

Obama is already a failure based on his hope and change platform. Look at his initial hirings all Washington type insiders. Looks like Obama is hoping that Rahm, Axlerod, etc are going to change. Don't be surprised to see a Daley and a Kennedy picked also.


Can we fool some people? Yes we can!

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Hank

NO. It does not matter what Obama does,the repugs will cast him as a failure

if true, we'd simply be following the Democrat's successful playbook, courtesy of MoveOn.org and George Soros.

[highnote]

Originally Posted by Hank

NO. It does not matter what Obama does,the repugs will cast him as a failure, they have to. How will they defeat him next time if they don't?Both parties are part of a corrupt system that is all about a power grab.The pawns of both sides are simply motivated by different issues.

Sometimes it seems to me that even if Jesus Christ himself posted advice in off-topic no one would believe the post was really by Him.

The left would call Him a nazi and right would call Him a commie.

[prospector]

keep congress closed and let the markets play out themselves...
no more bailouts for poor judgements..

[jonnielu]

Originally Posted by pktruckdriver

I see all the anger and upset people thru their posts here, and I do not ever see these people coming together, even if this Guy Obama does good.



Patrick

No Patrick, it doesn't matter who the president is, the country will never come together until the people realize what and who divides us, and for what reason.

235 years ago, most of the independent-minded, and self-sufficient rabble were located in one general place together. They used a new invention to communicate with each other and to come together to excercise an overwhelming power in the quest for Liberty.

For a brief shining moment, tyrants had forgotten the rule of the powerless, "divide and conquer", and in that moment good men discovered that they can be free when their neighbor is free.

For now, divide and conquer is still the rule of the day. Your question should be why does the government, that is supposed to be yours continue to divide you from your neighbor?

jdl

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Hank

NO. It does not matter what Obama does,the repugs will cast him as a failure, they have to. How will they defeat him next time if they don't?Both parties are part of a corrupt system that is all about a power grab.The pawns of both sides are simply motivated by different issues.

See how wrong you are here?
It is the RIGHT here who have consistently gone the way of our beliefs, not what we are told to think and say. We have all chastized Bush and others when they were worn. I have been harder on Bush all by myself than ALL the lefties here combined forever on ANYONE on the left...come to think of it, I do not recall a single instance where anone on the left has ever come out against any lib or dem....maybe once, but I don't remember it.
Go back and look at all the post the last two election by left wingnuts about fixed voting, bad machines, every excuse in the book. Not a peep this year...when they win. We never whine about it. In fact, in this dem sunami, the only cry baby out there is AL FRANKENSTEIN....says a lot about democrats.
Your attitude is exacly why we will be back - just like 1994 and 2000. Obama beat McCAin, who was cleverly packaged as Bush III ( who I would have certainly voted for), he did beat conservative ideals, which won as propos, not as people, but that is always temproary. Pople were pissed off and needed to vent. Two years of dems will quickly bring them back to the correct row.

So, keep on telling yourself that, and everyone else. You are free campaigning to us.

[Floyd]

Originally Posted by Tom

See how wrong you are here?
It is the RIGHT here who have consistently gone the way of our beliefs, not what we are told to think and say. We have all chastized Bush and others when they were worn. I have been harder on Bush all by myself than ALL the lefties here combined forever on ANYONE on the left...come to think of it, I do not recall a single instance where anone on the left has ever come out against any lib or dem....maybe once, but I don't remember it.
Go back and look at all the post the last two election by left wingnuts about fixed voting, bad machines, every excuse in the book. Not a peep this year...when they win. We never whine about it. In fact, in this dem sunami, the only cry baby out there is AL FRANKENSTEIN....says a lot about democrats.
Your attitude is exacly why we will be back - just like 1994 and 2000. Obama beat McCAin, who was cleverly packaged as Bush III ( who I would have certainly voted for), he did beat conservative ideals, which won as propos, not as people, but that is always temproary. Pople were pissed off and needed to vent. Two years of dems will quickly bring them back to the correct row.

So, keep on telling yourself that, and everyone else. You are free campaigning to us.

So what are your beliefs? Fiscal conservatism? Less government intrusion into private affairs? What? All I hear from you guys are fears and recriminations. Finger pointing and blame. Got any solutions? All I'm hearing is the same old same old. Obama won because he refused to play politics as usual, McCain lost because he was running the same campaign that worked for Bush. That won't work anymore. There's been a sea change. Our country is a mess, and all you do is moan about whose fault it is and how it's not going to get any better. Millions of young voters were energized by this election because they're tired of the hate, tired of government sticking its nose into our bedrooms, tired of the government making medical decisions for women, tired of the "Us vs. Them" mentality. Tell me your beliefs, then tell me why you think the Bush administration did anything, and I mean anything, that was in accordance with those beliefs. Are you against abortion? Did Bush do anything to stop it? Are you for smaller government? Show me where Bush reduced the size of government. Are you a fiscal conservative? And yet you still back Bush? Are you completely, utterly, totally daft? Really, Tom. Enlighten me. I understand the role you play here, but surely you must have some core values that you try to adhere to. Honestly, it seems all you do is just tear things up and fling poo.

[Tom]

Limited government, fiscal responsibility, accountability, national security, no matter what it takes, secure borders, low taxes, people take care of themselves, no nanny states.
That's about it.

Haven't had a conservative choice in awhile, so the fall back is ALWAYS vote against the dems because they have not had a decent person in decades. Carter, Clinton, now maybe the worst of the lot of them - a damned fascist/socialist. Bush was not a cadillac, but he sure beat walking.
Obama is going to be a flat tire at 80mph. McCain was nothing more than a band aid to keep this socialist out.

I have been on Bush's case a lot of times..he was the bet choice there was. I stataed in 2000 that he was my pick becsue he would have the right team in place in case of natinal emergency, and Bingo! 9-11 was exactly what I feared. I am thankful we had Bush not Gore when it did. Bush has kept us terror-free for almosy 8 years. Clinton allowed Al Qeda to grow and failed to respond to almost annual attacks on us. No one has more to enable Bin Laden than Bill Clinton, although Reaid, Mutha, Kennedy, Pelosi, arae trying to beat that

Abortion is murder, plain and simple. If you support it you support murdering babies. No, Bush did nothing to stop it,...are YOU totally daft? That is not his job, he has no power to do that. Did you ever read a copy of the constitution? I am willing to leave the consequences of that to God - if he exists, you burn in Hell, if not, you are just a pathetic baby killer.

Get used to us vs them mentality - Us ain't NEVER going to work with or cooperate with them. That nonsense is why McCain got beat. Losers cooperate. Winners advance thier agendas and goals.

Happy now?

[Floyd]

Originally Posted by Tom

Limited government, fiscal responsibility, accountability, national security, no matter what it takes, secure borders, low taxes, people take care of themselves, no nanny states.
That's about it.

Haven't had a conservative choice in awhile, so the fall back is ALWAYS vote against the dems because they have not had a decent person in decades. Carter, Clinton, now maybe the worst of the lot of them - a damned fascist/socialist. Bush was not a cadillac, but he sure beat walking.
Obama is going to be a flat tire at 80mph. McCain was nothing more than a band aid to keep this socialist out.

I have been on Bush's case a lot of times..he was the bet choice there was. I stataed in 2000 that he was my pick becsue he would have the right team in place in case of natinal emergency, and Bingo! 9-11 was exactly what I feared. I am thankful we had Bush not Gore when it did. Bush has kept us terror-free for almosy 8 years. Clinton allowed Al Qeda to grow and failed to respond to almost annual attacks on us. No one has more to enable Bin Laden than Bill Clinton, although Reaid, Mutha, Kennedy, Pelosi, arae trying to beat that

Abortion is murder, plain and simple. If you support it you support murdering babies. No, Bush did nothing to stop it,...are YOU totally daft? That is not his job, he has no power to do that. Did you ever read a copy of the constitution? I am willing to leave the consequences of that to God - if he exists, you burn in Hell, if not, you are just a pathetic baby killer.

Get used to us vs them mentality - Us ain't NEVER going to work with or cooperate with them. That nonsense is why McCain got beat. Losers cooperate. Winners advance thier agendas and goals.

Happy now?

Thanks for the thoughtful response. The connection between George Bush and the Saudi royal family are well established, and I'm sure you're aware of them, so I won't belabor that point here, and the warnings about a terrorist attack using commercial airliners the Clinton administration attempted to leave the Bush administration are also well established, so I won't waste your time reminding you of what, I'm sure, you already know. The mistakes in foreign policy that led up to 9-11 have been well documented. The attack on Iraq and the lies that caused us to pre-emptively overthrow that sovereign government have been discussed ad nauseum, so there's no need to discuss that. So I guess what you're saying is that you're glad Bush was in office when the attacks of 9-11 took place so that he had an excuse to invade a sovereign country that had no direct connection to those attacks in order to... something. Secure the oil? I'm not sure what. But I'm glad you're being honest about your brand of preemptive strike expensive war conservatism.
And it's nice that you'd like people to take care of themselves without government intervention, except, of course, when they're in their own bedroom, because the private expression of love between two people is certainly matter of government interest. I'm sure reasonable people could agree that we should all make sure we fall in love with a federally approved mate. And I'm sure you'd agree that all forms of contraception should be outlawed, since every fertilized egg is a baby, and our government knows what's best for us all. And since every fertilized egg is a baby, you would, no doubt, agree that abortion is murder and miscarriage is manslaughter and women who abort or miscarry should be subject to the laws regarding murder or manslaughter in their state of domicile. I'm also pleased to see that you have a fundamental understanding of the separation of powers embodied in our constitution, so you realize that your fears regarding the new administration are just that, irrational fears.
I'm glad we had this little talk.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire

Obama is already a failure based on his hope and change platform. Look at his initial hirings all Washington type insiders. Looks like Obama is hoping that Rahm, Axlerod, etc are going to change. Don't be surprised to see a Daley and a Kennedy picked also.


Can we fool some people? Yes we can!

Yeah, you noticed this, too, eh? All this talk of "change", and already he's surrounding himself with with old line fixtures, including Biden, of course. I guess he expects fresh, new, exciting ideas from old flea-infested dogs?

Boxcar

[bigmack]

Originally Posted by Floyd

your fears regarding the new administration are just that, irrational fears.

I'd pay loot to see you put that as your signature and come close to defending it after a spell.