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Old 12-15-2017, 11:44 PM   #16
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Mine was Billy Jack.
The best of the Billy Jack movies was Born Losers which came out 2 or 3 years before Billy Jack. Loosely based on a real life incident involving the Hell's Angels the real life hero was not an ex Green Beret but the California cops.
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Old 12-16-2017, 11:53 PM   #17
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Dang.

Weird, kind of good movie.

Did you like it?
I'm one of 3 in the universe who's never seen any of the Star Wars movies. And it's not that I haven't tried. I've caught 15 minutes here and there of several of the movies, and don't see the appeal at all. I thought they all seemed really, really cheesy. Really cheesy. And bad special effects. Really bad special effects. The appeal of Star Wars is one of the big mysteries of life to me.
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I'm one of 3 in the universe who's never seen any of the Star Wars movies. And it's not that I haven't tried. I've caught 15 minutes here and there of several of the movies, and don't see the appeal at all. I thought they all seemed really, really cheesy. Really cheesy. And bad special effects. Really bad special effects. The appeal of Star Wars is one of the big mysteries of life to me.
You've said it better than I ever could.
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Old 12-17-2017, 12:35 AM   #19
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You've said it better than I ever could.
At least you guys tried. I have never made an effort to watch even 1 minute of any Star Wars movie.
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Old 12-17-2017, 08:33 AM   #20
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....And I thought that I was the only one in the universe who never saw any of them. I never thought that the special effects were that "special", either.

I saw a list of the most popular movies of all time and got down to number 40 , Jaws, before I came to a movie that was a favorite of mine. I guess I have no taste. (Or the rest of the world doesn't).
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....And I thought that I was the only one in the universe who never saw any of them. I never thought that the special effects were that "special", either.

I saw a list of the most popular movies of all time and got down to number 40 , Jaws, before I came to a movie that was a favorite of mine. I guess I have no taste. (Or the rest of the world doesn't).
Well, Jaws is a pretty good movie, especially the scene where Robert Shaw talks about the U.S.S. Indianapolis, so your taste isn't way out there.

When you look at Star Wars' special effects you really need to put into the context of the mid-70s. By today's standards, they are nothing, but for the time they are really quite brilliant. The level of detail captured in the scale models is really incredible, at least in my opinion. Then to incorporate explosions, etc. Where I think the original SW fails is in the acting. For every Peter Cushing and Alec Guiness, they had a Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher. The Harrison Ford of today is much improved over the young Harrison Ford.
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First movie I ever saw in a movie theater was the original Star Wars. 40 years later, it is still one of my favorite movies of all time.

To each hate their own I guess.
The first Star Wars was released in 1977. My sons were born in 1999. Without any influence at all from me, it quickly became their favorite movie and still is. They have watched all of them many times. At least they will grudgingly admit that Phantom Menace sucks and that the Clone Wars is not very good either.
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Dang.

Weird, kind of good movie.

Did you like it?
I liked it as a kid, but as an adult I came to realize that the acting and production values were quite poor. Still, I can never get tired of this scene.

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I thought Carrie Fisher was dead, was her character all CGI and voice synthesizer?
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Well, Jaws is a pretty good movie, especially the scene where Robert Shaw talks about the U.S.S. Indianapolis, so your taste isn't way out there.

When you look at Star Wars' special effects you really need to put into the context of the mid-70s. By today's standards, they are nothing, but for the time they are really quite brilliant. The level of detail captured in the scale models is really incredible, at least in my opinion. Then to incorporate explosions, etc. Where I think the original SW fails is in the acting. For every Peter Cushing and Alec Guiness, they had a Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, and Carrie Fisher. The Harrison Ford of today is much improved over the young Harrison Ford.
I'm not a Trekkie, but I did enjoy the Star Trek movies. I'm pretty sure the first movie was about the same time as the first Star Wars, and if memory serves me correct, I think Star Trek's production (and acting and story lines, etc) was much superior.

It may be that I have a hard time with any movie that is in the fantasy genre, and there's something about the costumes and characters, an overall cheesiness, that strikes me as fantasy. I don't know if anyone understands that, or if even I do, but I've never really gotten why I just don't get a movie franchise that is so wildly popular.
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I thought Carrie Fisher was dead, was her character all CGI and voice synthesizer?
She had completed her scenes for the new movie before she died.
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I'm one of 3 in the universe who's never seen any of the Star Wars movies. And it's not that I haven't tried. I've caught 15 minutes here and there of several of the movies, and don't see the appeal at all. I thought they all seemed really, really cheesy. Really cheesy. And bad special effects. Really bad special effects. The appeal of Star Wars is one of the big mysteries of life to me.
I'll take bad special affects and cheese to CGI. Standing in front of green screen. Alone. Hollywood relies on CGI too much these days. A mindset of well it worked once here, so we have to use it .Then again they rely also on remakes and sequels. I worked all weekend. Going tomorrow 10am. Can't wait.....
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I'm not a Trekkie, but I did enjoy the Star Trek movies. I'm pretty sure the first movie was about the same time as the first Star Wars, and if memory serves me correct, I think Star Trek's production (and acting and story lines, etc) was much superior.

It may be that I have a hard time with any movie that is in the fantasy genre, and there's something about the costumes and characters, an overall cheesiness, that strikes me as fantasy. I don't know if anyone understands that, or if even I do, but I've never really gotten why I just don't get a movie franchise that is so wildly popular.
The Star Trek movies got progressively worse to the point of being embarrassing. The latest movies made by JJ Abrams have been incredible. I am the same as you as far as not being a SciFi person. What Star Wards did, in my opinion, is make SciFi appealing to the masses. If you can stomach watching Star Wars (I am speaking of the original), view it in the context of a western. It really does have all of the elements of a good western. In fact, I think that is really why it was so successful; people picked up on that in their subconscious. Of course, I am probably overthinking it.
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The Star Trek movies got progressively worse to the point of being embarrassing. The latest movies made by JJ Abrams have been incredible. I am the same as you as far as not being a SciFi person. What Star Wards did, in my opinion, is make SciFi appealing to the masses. If you can stomach watching Star Wars (I am speaking of the original), view it in the context of a western. It really does have all of the elements of a good western. In fact, I think that is really why it was so successful; people picked up on that in their subconscious. Of course, I am probably overthinking it.
Maybe I should sit and watch the first one, at least give it a good try.

As for Star Trek, the last one I remember was where Spock talks to the whale in modern day CA. Hmm, I remember Spock dying too, don't know if that was the same one or the one after. I couldn't get into the newer Star Treks with the new cast.
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I’ve been watching the first one from 1977 on my DVR in bits and pieces. They broadcast it in HD now. It’s funny to look at the details of the ships and the guns etc in HD. The uniforms for the Star Troopers are much more detailed too.

I’ve always been Luke warm on it. .................that’s a joke son!
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