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four m · 12-02-2001, 06:32 PM

hi everyone,
with paper and pencil i calculate turn times and add it to 1/2 time. i do not rely on this alone but consider horse a contender if has the best. only problem i have is that i use raw times with no adjustments for track and variant.(mentioned this before) tru form is running a query for me for all my factors in sprints. (tru form- check out todays 4th at aqu.) if he can help i'll pass on results when i get them. the winners were contenders in all aqu. sprints today.

GR1@HTR · 12-03-2001, 08:57 AM

Little segment on turn timer here:

http://www.frandsen.com/newsletters/jan97brs.htm

Can't answer your question 4M. But a little more random thougths I have about turn time. Often the top ranked turn time horse will have a very poor F1 and F3. If you then look at the comments it will usually state something related to a poor start. So all the Jky did was rush the horse up and "burn him out" to the 2nd call. Call it a workout if you want but I call it "garbage" and a handicapping factor that will lead folks to more losers than winners. IMHO, if you have time to study, look more at F1 and F3 than F2.

four m · 12-03-2001, 07:52 PM

thanks gr1, understand and agree with your slow early comment. i use 1/4 and 1/2 time also and have seen many who are behind early, make a half hearted move to produce a decent turn time. i take this into consideration. i mentioned the 4th at aqu. --in that race unlaced waters was a best bet of mine and i put him in exacta box with 2 other contenders, one being qualcom who wind up winning and producing a $408 exacta. point is he was a contender off turn time and without going into all reasons i used him. (dutrow-goldfarb-30-1)! sometimes it works, like all other methods.
i am working with this method about 3 months now and ashamed to say still using raw times, no variant(only by eye) and no track to track adjustments. (only by knowledge) i have caught some monster horses that most would not play (and losers that most would not play) since a horse could contend off 1 figure where most would dismiss. if i ever get the adjustments i will keep you informed. i try to keep it simple and you know, sometimes i think that with all the proper adjustments i may get some winners that i normally would not--but--may miss some that do not figure(creating bigger payoffs) time will tell but i must admit i am excited.
sorry to ramble
thanks

kenwoodall · 03-02-2003, 04:49 PM

I like longshots with good turn times.

FortuneHunter · 03-02-2003, 05:41 PM

We use the Brisnet Figures to calculate Turn Times and Velocity Figures. We generate a Turn Time Report for 5 to 8 tracks daily.

Here is a link to the explanation page on our site:

http://www.handicappers-datamine.com...sWorksheet.htm

Scroll down past the Worksheets.

Calculating by hand is a bitch.

FH

www.handicappers-datamine.com

Derek2U · 03-02-2003, 06:02 PM

4M ... if u dont use TV or ADJS of track-2-track --- in other words,
using RAW TIMES .... u are "Pissing in the Wind" -- as its phrased.
Thats where I am at ..... i got some Very Powerful math ideas but
in essence they need those things U + ME dont have. So, here
we are & pondering............

Lefty · 03-02-2003, 07:59 PM

Derek, lottsa handicappers have TV and trk to trk Adj. Get a good Partime book. If you only play 1 trk, make your own.

Fastracehorse · 03-02-2003, 08:01 PM

Everybody is obsessed with fractional splits and times of this sort or the other.

Has anybody ever thought of doing a comparative analyses of a horse that recieved a clean trip vs. the same horse that recieved a 'dirty' trip?? Then get your derivation this way.

I have an adjustment for turn times based on the above. And it is potent.

fffastt

Derek2U · 03-02-2003, 08:04 PM

great idea ... as a sorta adjunct 2 that i posted b4 & say now
that the Chaos in a race ---- at the break + the first 50 feet
outta the gate -- might explain (account 4) say 30% of how the
horses actually finish. hehe ... listen up

Tom · 03-02-2003, 08:09 PM

If you are using DRF, you can easily calcuoate the daily variant using the Beyer numbers. It can be progrmamed right into your program - I did it in basic with the Sharp handheld for a TPr program and a fractions program I used to use.

Fastracehorse · 03-02-2003, 08:24 PM

>as a sorta adjunct 2 that i posted b4 & say now
that the Chaos in a race ---- at the break + the first 50 feet
outta the gate

That is another adjustment that can be made.

Alot of horses are probably finished early because of hard bumping at the gate.

fffastt