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Old 01-14-2019, 10:36 AM   #1
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Non-Lasix Users Get Weight Break In The Pegasus

It's a 7-pound weight break! Here's a link to it:

http://www.gulfstreampark.com/docs/default-source/condition-books/book-3.pdf
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This will be interesting to see how many take the weight break.
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This should be done in all graded stakes races - on a staggered basis: 7 lbs. in Grade 1 stakes, 5 lbs. in Grade 2 stakes, and 3 lbs. in Grade 3 stakes.
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Old 01-14-2019, 05:26 PM   #4
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This is very interesting, seems odd to break it out only for the most prestigious race of the meet. Why not give it a shot throughout the condition book? Kind of how like the Breeders Cup went lasix free a few years ago but I don't remember that applying anywhere else.



I also was surprised to see the race open to 3 year olds, but I guess if you pay those sort of entry fees they'll let you do what you want. A non-lasix 3yo would carry 101 lbs, would that ever be enough of a break to entice anyone with a youngster? Any respectable jock capable of making anywhere near that weight?
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This is very interesting, seems odd to break it out only for the most prestigious race of the meet. Why not give it a shot throughout the condition book? Kind of how like the Breeders Cup went lasix free a few years ago but I don't remember that applying anywhere else.



I also was surprised to see the race open to 3 year olds, but I guess if you pay those sort of entry fees they'll let you do what you want. A non-lasix 3yo would carry 101 lbs, would that ever be enough of a break to entice anyone with a youngster? Any respectable jock capable of making anywhere near that weight?
My thoughts exactly. Getting a journeyman to tack at a -7# could be dicey? Pretty soon the jocks will be on lasix.
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Old 01-14-2019, 05:44 PM   #6
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Any foreign turf horses considering/committed this year?

That was the first thought (rather than rewarding the rare 'non-Lasix' horse or encouraging a 'lasix-off' change).

Last year we had Toast of New York (on L), but no Euro/Foreign 'turf' shippers per se


edit - Isn't at least one Caribbean horse entering? Will he race w/out L?
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Didn't they offer the same thing last year and nobody took the bait?
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Old 01-14-2019, 08:05 PM   #8
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Didn't they offer the same thing last year and nobody took the bait?
Good memory - I just checked it out - same deal last year - no one took "advantage" of it. In 2017, GP offered a 5-pound no-Lasix waiver and one horse raced without it.
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Most horses lose a lot more than 7 pounds after being treated with lasix.

New Furosemide Research Reveals Unexpected Impacts Of The Medication:
https://www.paulickreport.com/horse-...he-medication/

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In one study, scientists administered different amounts of furosemide to six Thoroughbreds and measured the amount of weight loss for four hours after each animal's treatment (four hours being the minimum time between administration and race time in most states). To their surprise, they found the amount of weight loss did not vary significantly between treatments; A 150-milligram (about 3 cc) dose caused horses to lose an average of 28 pounds...


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Most horses lose a lot more than 7 pounds after being treated with lasix.

New Furosemide Research Reveals Unexpected Impacts Of The Medication:
https://www.paulickreport.com/horse-...he-medication/





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That's like a 225 lbs. man losing about 6 lbs. in 4 hours. Is that significant? It seems to me that it could be. It at least explains the recovery time needed.....maybe. Seems significant, but not sure how significant.
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Most horses lose a lot more than 7 pounds after being treated with lasix.

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I don't really think this an apples to apples comparison. If I lose 10 pounds but carry 10 extra running a 100 meters, will my time be the same as before, faster, or slower? I don't know the answer but I highly doubt it is a one to one relationship.

I think trainers think the performance enhancing effect of Lasix (be it from weight loss or whatever) is greater than any advantage gained by carrying less weight in the saddle, and I tend to agree with them. This is why nobody tried it last year, and probably won't this year. I also suspect this is why 95% of the horses in this country run with the drug.

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This is very interesting, seems odd to break it out only for the most prestigious race of the meet. Why not give it a shot throughout the condition book? Kind of how like the Breeders Cup went lasix free a few years ago but I don't remember that applying anywhere else.



I also was surprised to see the race open to 3 year olds, but I guess if you pay those sort of entry fees they'll let you do what you want. A non-lasix 3yo would carry 101 lbs, would that ever be enough of a break to entice anyone with a youngster? Any respectable jock capable of making anywhere near that weight?
has anybody ever been able to tack 101 lbs?
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I don't really think this an apples to apples comparison. If I lose 10 pounds but carry 10 extra running a 100 meters, will my time be the same as before, faster, or slower? I don't know the answer but I highly doubt it is a one to one relationship.

I think trainers think the performance enhancing effect of Lasix (be it from weight loss or whatever) is greater than any advantage gained by carrying less weight in the saddle, and I tend to agree with them. This is why nobody tried it last year, and probably won't this year. I also suspect this is why 95% of the horses in this country run with the drug.

I had the same thought - definitely a question for a guy like Cratos.
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I had the same thought - definitely a question for a guy like Cratos.
Hard pass.
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Old 01-15-2019, 06:33 PM   #15
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It's worth at least entertaining the possibility that trainers feel that there is enough of a chance that their horse will bleed without Lasix that it's worth the extra weight to minimize that chance.

It's not all nefarious.
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