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View Poll Results: Who wins HOY? Accelerate or Justify?
Accelerate wins HOY 119 42.35%
Justify wins HOY 162 57.65%
Voters: 281. This poll is closed

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Old 11-05-2018, 12:18 AM   #46
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Omaha did not get HOTY when he won the TC.

Yeah, maybe because Omaha was the only TC winner coming off of a loss when entering the Belmont. Omaha was 1-for-his-last-9 when entered on Derby day, and that win was as a heavy favorite in some allowance race.

Omaha's 3yo campaign was more brief than Justify's 2018 campaign.


Not only that, but the Triple Crown was of minimal importance at the time, and it is hardly comparable to today.


And there's also the reality that Justify never lost, unlike Accelerate.


Everybody thought that Zenyatta would win HOY immediately after she won the Classic, and then reality set in once the sheen wore off.
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:51 AM   #47
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Yeah, maybe because Omaha was the only TC winner coming off of a loss when entering the Belmont. Omaha was 1-for-his-last-9 when entered on Derby day, and that win was as a heavy favorite in some allowance race.

Omaha's 3yo campaign was more brief than Justify's 2018 campaign.


Not only that, but the Triple Crown was of minimal importance at the time, and it is hardly comparable to today.


And there's also the reality that Justify never lost, unlike Accelerate.


Everybody thought that Zenyatta would win HOY immediately after she won the Classic, and then reality set in once the sheen wore off.
The Zenyatta / RA thing was produced by the unbalanced electorate, dominated by eastern writers. New York types HATED Zenyatta. They never liked the BC back there, they hated synthetics, and they loved that Jackson refused to run his horse in the BC after winning the Woodward, a race that used to be really important.

That vote was their chance to posture against the BC, synthetics, and California, and they did.

This is very different.
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Old 11-05-2018, 01:46 AM   #48
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In most years Accelerate would be a no brainer for HOTY, but I think a Triple Crown winner almost has to get it.
This is the sticking point, isn't it.
If I had a vote (I did but not one that REALLY counts) I'd vote for Accelerate on the basis that he was the BETTER horse.
Still, winning the TC is nothing to sneeze at.
No matter which one wins it, people will be disappointed and angry.
Hey! That's just like politics.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:38 AM   #49
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:35 PM   #50
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As people told me when I liked blame over zenyatta.

Best horse is not always horse of the year.

Blame was better and they gave it to zenyatta.

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Old 11-05-2018, 12:43 PM   #51
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Do you think Accelerate will be inducted into the Hall of Fame?....Maybe.

The first 11 Triple Crown Winners are all in, with AP a lock in the next year. Eventually, Justify will be inducted as well....There's a reason they all get in, but that escapes most here who think Accelerate will be HOY.....TC winners are auto HOY for the last 80 years, as it's the almost unthinkable dream of every owner and trainer in the game to ever have one......Most everyone would just be extremely happy for a Derby winner.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:39 PM   #52
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No matter who gets it, who cares?
No one here gets any money for it, no one here gets to go the dinner. No one here gets a trophy.

Shut up and bet.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:55 PM   #53
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Do you think Accelerate will be inducted into the Hall of Fame?....Maybe.

The first 11 Triple Crown Winners are all in, with AP a lock in the next year. Eventually, Justify will be inducted as well....There's a reason they all get in, but that escapes most here who think Accelerate will be HOY.....TC winners are auto HOY for the last 80 years, as it's the almost unthinkable dream of every owner and trainer in the game to ever have one......Most everyone would just be extremely happy for a Derby winner.
Things change. Accelerate did more all year against the best competition. He is horse of the year.
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Old 11-05-2018, 02:58 PM   #54
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Things change. Accelerate did more all year against the best competition. He is horse of the year.
Weak group throughout all ranks in 2018....If this is all you got, no Bueno.
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Old 11-05-2018, 03:11 PM   #55
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Weak group throughout all ranks in 2018....If this is all you got, no Bueno.
Paulick report poll has them in a dead heat. Twitter poll has Accelerate ahead. If it was a slam dunk as you said the polls shouldn't be close
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:21 PM   #56
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Paulick report poll has them in a dead heat. Twitter poll has Accelerate ahead. If it was a slam dunk as you said the polls shouldn't be close
Give it time Lowenstein, give it time....
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Give it time Lowenstein, give it time....
Lowenstein??
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Old 11-05-2018, 05:51 PM   #58
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My informal poll on Twitter puts Justify comfortably in the lead, 94 to 58.

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Old 11-05-2018, 05:55 PM   #59
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Paulick Report has it dead even

Who would you vote for as North America's 2018 Horse of the Year?

Accelerate 43.68%

Justify 43.78%

Monomoy Girl 12.54%


My twitter poll has it like this from 186 votes. I'd imagine the Paulick Report is gonna get the biggest sample.

54% Accelerate wins HOY

46% Justify wins HOY


I'm pretty sure that Justify will get it but I'm gonna do all the lobbying I can for Accelerate.
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Lowenstein??
Quote from Prince of Tides---Nick Nolte....Are you too young for that?
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