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View Poll Results: Who wins HOY? Accelerate or Justify?
Accelerate wins HOY 119 42.35%
Justify wins HOY 162 57.65%
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Old 11-03-2018, 09:49 PM   #16
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The question for the team/house, is if a TC winner retires, after their last big victory in the Belmont, does that assure them of an automatic HOY without a doubt, not to say that would be a strategy but it seems wrong
No I dont think it was automatic, for example I think Gun Runner, who's flat out dominating wins in brilliant times would have been a even stronger case.......Accelerate has not been as brilliant, think he got a 105 beyer today and 102 last time. Gun Runner went like 115-115.
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Par for the Classic is 116.
The only horse ever to win the Classic with a lower Beyer was Drosselmeyer. Next lowest was RAvens Run, 110, on poly track.

So if Justify beat nothing, Accelerate can't claim he beat much either.

Will wait to see what CJ gives the race.
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:01 PM   #18
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Par for the Classic is 116.
The only horse ever to win the Classic with a lower Beyer was Drosselmeyer. Next lowest was RAvens Run, 110, on poly track.

So if Justify beat nothing, Accelerate can't claim he beat much either.

Will wait to see what CJ gives the race.
121...think gun runner got a 141 and Arrogate got a 136.
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Old 11-03-2018, 10:03 PM   #19
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121...think gun runner got a 141 and Arrogate got a 136.

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Par for the Classic is 116.
The only horse ever to win the Classic with a lower Beyer was Drosselmeyer. Next lowest was RAvens Run, 110, on poly track.

So if Justify beat nothing, Accelerate can't claim he beat much either.

Will wait to see what CJ gives the race.
Well Accelerate smoked McKinisie...whom Baffet said was the better horse than Justify...just sayin....
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thanks, do you know how that rated historically...the memory is going man

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Well Accelerate smoked McKinisie...whom Baffet said was the better horse than Justify...just sayin....
when did he say that????? I gotta hear that one.
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when did he say that????? I gotta hear that one.
Pretty much talked about on the NBC coverage today...that McKinsie was considered his Derby horse of choice and that Justify just happened to fill in...plus way back in early spring...that was the talk then as well...
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Pretty much talked about on the NBC coverage today...that McKinsie was considered his Derby horse of choice and that Justify just happened to fill in...plus way back in early spring...that was the talk then as well...
They thought very highly of McKinzie but Justify was also very very highly thought of, though working through some things.

Once they started running for real though I never heard that from anyone in that camp, ever.
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No I dont think it was automatic, for example I think Gun Runner, who's flat out dominating wins in brilliant times would have been a even stronger case.......Accelerate has not been as brilliant, think he got a 105 beyer today and 102 last time. Gun Runner went like 115-115.
Horse of the Year isn't a speed figure competition.

If it were, of course, Justify could never win it.
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Horse of the Year isn't a speed figure competition.

If it were, of course, Justify could never win it.
we will just have to see how it plays out, get your popcorn.
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thanks, do you know how that rated historically...the memory is going man
I'll check and post tomorrow. Made a few adjustments (Sprint, Dirt Mile), see below.

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I think at 9F I would take City of Light any day of the week against Accelerate. At 10F it changes.
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I think at 9F I would take City of Light any day of the week against Accelerate. At 10F it changes.
Probably, but we don't really run the top races at 9f for older males.
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Probably, but we don't really run the top races at 9f for older males.
Its a mix really, the Clark, Stephen Foster, the Woodward, the Pegasus...all pretty good 9F events.

The west coast is the place where 10F races are more the top races.
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