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Old 01-15-2019, 07:41 PM   #166
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I don't know about that as a universal rule.
It depends on whether your goal is practical or political.
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Old 01-15-2019, 07:47 PM   #167
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I do not want my tax dollars used to pay for the wall.
Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall indirectly "many times over".
Holding Trump to this, as silly as it seems.
One columnist suggested that Trump pay the 5.7 billion himself, and then the U.S
will repay (with interest) as the money pours in from Mexico. The Federal Reserve can verify the income stream and forward the money to Trump.
It is crazy, but Trump can make it happen, can't you Mr. President ?
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:18 PM   #168
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Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall indirectly "many times over".
Trump said that Mexico will pay for the wall directly many times, mostly during the campaign. He started side-stepping away from that and many other promises after he was elected.

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One columnist suggested that Trump pay the 5.7 billion himself, and then the U.S will repay (with interest) as the money pours in from Mexico. The Federal Reserve can verify the income stream and forward the money to Trump.
The income stream Trump now promises from his trade wizardry flows into the private sector due to increase Mexican purchases of American products and services, not to the government. Supposedly, that will result in increased tax revenue to the government. Even if that increased revenue happens, it is not likely to offset the YUGE increases in deficits that Trump approved of, after his campaign promise to decrease deficit spending and eventually eliminate the debt.
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:27 PM   #169
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I do not want my tax dollars used to pay for the wall.
Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall indirectly "many times over".
Holding Trump to this, as silly as it seems.
One columnist suggested that Trump pay the 5.7 billion himself, and then the U.S
will repay (with interest) as the money pours in from Mexico. The Federal Reserve can verify the income stream and forward the money to Trump.
It is crazy, but Trump can make it happen, can't you Mr. President ?
If I like my Dr. can I keep my Dr.? The (Un)Affordable Care Act costs much more than the proposed wall but I didn't hear much from the left saying that perhaps they should back off until such time as the promises met reality.
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Old 01-15-2019, 08:58 PM   #170
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I don't know about that as a universal rule. It worked for DJT in 2016.
Actually, no.
There were very SPECIFIC reasons to vote for Trump.
All have so far proved correct.

Unless your agenda here is to beat a dead horse.
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:07 PM   #171
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Congress Must sit down and do their job.
Lock em all in a room until they come to an
agreement on a COMPLETE immigration package.
LOCK EM UP til they do!!
I don't like Canadiens telling Americans what to do.
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Old 01-15-2019, 10:39 PM   #172
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Agree with most if not all of the above, Congress Must sit down and do their job. Lock em all in a room until they come to an agreement on a COMPLETE immigration package.
You need to write to your Representative and Senators and tell them that!
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:19 PM   #173
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I don't like Canadiens telling Americans what to do.
But you are obviously OK with Mexicans doing that.
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:23 PM   #174
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But you are obviously OK with Mexicans doing that.
Are you okay with UNELECTED media personalities like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter telling America what to do?
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:26 PM   #175
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Are you okay with UNELECTED media personalities like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter telling America what to do?
Ever heard of George Soros?
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:30 PM   #176
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Are you okay with UNELECTED media personalities like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter telling America what to do?
They did not tell America what to do.
That is a BS statement.

Man, you guys rely on lying more and more as this goes on.
Must suck to have nothing of substance to offer.
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:52 PM   #177
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It is crazy, but Trump can make it happen, can't you Mr. President ?

I don't know, riskman. Buying all those "hamberders" for the Clemson football team took a big chunk out of his allowance.
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Old 01-15-2019, 11:53 PM   #178
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This sentence says it all regarding the opposition to a wall. Making decisions based on feelings and not facts is really not an optimum way to go.
HAHA!! OK Rush.
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Old 01-16-2019, 12:17 AM   #179
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They did not tell America what to do.
That is a BS statement.

Man, you guys rely on lying more and more as this goes on.
Must suck to have nothing of substance to offer.
No, Tom, That is REALITY.
A deal was struck in mid-December to fund the US government until the end of February 2019.
The funding legislation that included NO FUNDING FOR ANY BORDER WALL was drawn up by the Senate and passed the Senate UNANIMOUSLY.
It was set to pass the House and be signed by Drumph right before the Christmas break.
Then Ann and Rush started publicly badmouthing the legislation with no wall funding in it.
So Drumph threw a temper tantrum and changed his mind in the 11th hour, saying he would refuse to sign any bill with $5.6 Billion funding for his wall.

As any parent knows, the absolute WORST thing to do is let a petulant child have their way because they threw a tantrum when they didn't get what they wanted.
If you do, the kid will have learned that all you need to do is throw a tantrum whenever you don't get what you want.
Chuck and Nancy are clearly dealing with a petulant child who is not above throwing tantrums when he doesn't get his way.
So what else do you expect them to do?

Especially when after this exchange.

THE PRESIDENT: You know what I’ll say: Yes, if we don’t get what we want, one way or the other -- whether it’s through you, through a military, through anything you want to call -- I will shut down the government. Absolutely.
SENATE MINORITY LEADER SCHUMER: Okay. Fair enough. We disagree.
THE PRESIDENT: And I am proud -- and I’ll tell you what --
SENATE MINORITY LEADER SCHUMER: We disagree.
THE PRESIDENT: I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it. The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting down.


No surprise to anyone, Doofus Drumph is now repeatedly doing EXACTLY what he publically promised not to do.
He's blaming the Dims for the shutdown after he very explicitly declared:
I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck, because the people of this country don’t want criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it. The last time you shut it down, it didn’t work. I will take the mantle of shutting down.

How are you supposed to negotiate with a blatant liar?

If Drumph were an adult, he'd open the government and use his supposedly legendary dealmaking skill to get wall funding in the bill that would be passed in February.
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he'd open the government and
Not sure why he would......unless you tell me Mueller's team is furloughed.

Are they necessary?

Asking for a friend....
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