Dice Sliding in Las Vegas

[lamboguy]

https://www.playusa.com/dice-sliding...-vegas-casino/

these guys were greedy and dumb. you can't walk into a casino 8 days in a row and take them down for over $200,000 and not get noticed. i am surprized the Cosmipolitan didn't pick up on this in 10 minutes.

[davew]

an electronic table that still had a dealer - dealers must have been in on it

[Inner Dirt]

Never heard of electronic craps, as said before the dealer had to be in on it. Haven't played craps in 15 years but if the dice weren't aggressively banked it was a no roll, all bets off.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Never heard of electronic craps, as said before the dealer had to be in on it. Haven't played craps in 15 years but if the dice weren't aggressively banked it was a no roll, all bets off.

you are smart, cainso's are bad news. they are non0productive

[maddog42]

I am truly amazed that this wasn't noticed by the eye in the sky.

[lamboguy]

i don't know anything about these guys except what the article says, but all these deals have too many people involved in the takedown and they always get carught at some point.

what i do know is that somewhere out there in this big wide world, there is someone trying to come up with a new way to get a casino somewhere.

its a business where both sides are trying to grab each other's money. the big edge the casino has is they can't lose with those odds in their favor. all they have to do is make sure they don't let anyone out fox them.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i don't know anything about these guys except what the article says, but all these deals have too many people involved in the takedown and they always get carught at some point.

what i do know is that somewhere out there in this big wide world, there is someone trying to come up with a new way to get a casino somewhere.

its a business where both sides are trying to grab each other's money. the big edge the casino has is they can't lose with those odds in their favor. all they have to do is make sure they don't let anyone out fox them.

Respectfully, "Can't lose" is an exaggeration.

They most certainly can.
And they do.

This can happen when you are willing to take massive players on. That edge on craps is pretty thin - and a guy can get lucky.

Some decades ago, (if memory serves, it was) the Las Vegas Hilton was beaten so badly by a Giant Asian whale. He beat them so badly that it tanked their stock price for 3 quarters.

By comparison...
When I moved back to Reno (1984), the first job I got was at Circus Circus. Their business model was that they wanted a roomful of people wagering no more than $10.

They simply did not want big players because they wanted zero risk. They just wanted to grind.

The absolute max bet was $200 and if someone asked to raise it, they declined. In fact, they'd do everything possible to run them out of the joint. (They're all joints. Some glitzier than others, but still joints.)

BTW, the shift managers there made more money than at any other casino in Reno. Back then, shift managers were typically $100k or so, with the really big ones a little more.

The guys at Circus were, with bonuses, taking down like $250k because their job was simply to WIN WITHOUT RISK.

[delayjf]

Dave,

You really should write a book on your years in Vegas.

By the way are you a decent card shark? There are some videos on YouTube with one guy showing you how to deal from the middle of the deck and set up poker hands. I find that stuff facinating and could watch a good card shark for hours.

back to subject: I remember some years back, I was watching TV and browsing thru the channels and happened on a show call "Breaking Vegas" I think it was on the History Channel. This particular episode was about a team of gamblers who were making money in Vegas playing craps by throwing the dice a certain way that reduced the odds of certain numbers coming out. The main character was a guy that went by the nick name of the "Dominator." It was interesting as it also included another gambling author I recognized, Jerry Patterson. As I read this thread, it seems that that team was using dice sliding which I guess is now illegal. I found lots of videos on YouTube about dice sliding.

[Inner Dirt]

Like I said I have not played craps in 15+ years, I just watched a bunch of dice sliding videos, none of them bank even one die. Most of the craps I played where in Laughlin Nv. Every time the stick man handed the dice to a new shooter to the table they were told they had to bank them. I could not imagine someone getting away with this unless the casino people working the crap game were in on it, it is so obvious.

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by delayjf

Dave,

You really should write a book on your years in Vegas.

By the way are you a decent card shark? There are some videos on YouTube with one guy showing you how to deal from the middle of the deck and set up poker hands. I find that stuff facinating and could watch a good card shark for hours.

Yes, never very good but dealt my first Blackjack in an illegal casino in Liberty City (Miami), age 15-17. Really was not a very sophisticated mechanic. Just didn't have the soft hands for it.

My father once owned a gambling house in Niagara Falls. (Horses, dice and cards.)

Read my story here.

I also played BJ for 18 months in Las Vegas in '76/'77. Won almost $600k but walked away with pretty much zero. (Thought it would last forever.)

[delayjf]

For those interested below is a link that demos the middle deal.

YouTube

[Dave Schwartz]

Originally Posted by delayjf

For those interested below is a link that demos the middle deal.

That's a great video and he is far more sophisticated than all but two of the mechanics I knew in my Las Vegas days.

In the '70s "dealing bottoms" was vernacular for "not dealing the top card," as opposed to actually dealing from the bottom.

To make that more difficult, there was always an upside down card on the bottom of the deck.

In Miami, my lessons began at age 16 and lasted about a year. To be clear, I was simply never that good.

I could deal a pretty good second - certainly good enough to never be caught on camera.

When I got my Las Vegas schooling, my goal was to not be cheated.

That goal was realized except for the 2 guys I mentioned above.

I had lost $80k to one particular dealer over several hours. By far, the biggest loss of my life - and I KNEW I had been cheated.

I was $120k up when the fireworks began, so he actually beat me for $200,000.

In the end, it was my own arrogance that cost me the money because, after all, it takes one to know one, and I had been taught by a couple of "pretty good" mechanics.

Just couldn't figure out how. It was a 4-deck shoe game and I was beaten with several hours of seemingly highly coincidental losses when the deck was very rich.

The story improves tremendously when I walked into a fellow mechanic's home in Las Vegas a few weeks later.

My friend - and he was a dear friend - had arranged a meeting with a fellow who wanted to run a scam.

I'd stayed away from all of that in Las Vegas because I valued my life.

Imagine my surprise when the guy who had taken my cash walked in as That Guy.

He recognized me right away and was, frankly, more than a little afraid. (Physically.)

He didn't bother to deny it. He simply said, "It was nothing personal," sounding like a hit man.

There was no way I'd get my money back, so I said, "Teach me what you know."

That's when the lessons began.
While it upped my dealing skills immensely, I simply did not have the gift of soft hands.

There was no way I was ever going to be That Guy.

But I could certainly learn to RECOGNIZE that guy when I saw him.

What I learned from him - and more from his protégé was unbelievable.

Seconds in that world were nothing.
I mean, NOTHING.

What impressed me most was:

• Switching hole cards as the hole card is turned.
• Switching double down cards as the face down card is turned.
• Shuffling to a Negative (or positive) deck.
  (Actually knew some of that one, having played in the Bahamas for 4 hours without a single positive deck.)
• Capping the deck from the discards (my personal favorite) so you can pick a card or two to give your target (friend or foe).

By the time this education was done, my TALENT LEVEL was not much higher than before. But my KNOWLEDGE LEVEL was through the roof.

You just have no idea what behind the scenes at Disneyl... I mean in Las Vegas... looks like.




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