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Old 02-20-2019, 04:28 PM   #61
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I think a bridge jumper should start bombing the pools. This will either make the tracks cancel this wager or, if he misses, get people excited about the wager.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:30 PM   #62
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Today’s 8th race roulette pool at GULF WAS $88😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The first race was $26 or was it $23 I forget.
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Old 02-20-2019, 04:45 PM   #63
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The first race was $26 or was it $23 I forget.
and green was the winner - paid $4.20 with the 13 and 14/1

I got shut out, would have been $25
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:19 AM   #64
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I don't understand why anybody cares about Roulette?

If a total novice thinks it's interesting that's cool.

The existence of the wager is meaningless to the rest of us.

Isn't it?
The pages here at Paceadvantage contain hundreds (if not thousands) of suggestions from players to track management and horsemen that would make the wagering expericence more attractive to new fans making their first few track visits.

And yet --

Horse Racing Roulette at 15.43 percent takeout plus breakage at Santa Anita and 17 percent takeout plus breakage at Gulfstream is what The Stronach Group came up with for 2019.

In my opinion --

This demonstrates once again how out of touch upper track management and horsemen are when it comes to actual customer needs and wants.

It's insulting (to me) because (Imo) this game is being sorely mismanaged by track management and horsemen who THINK they know about horse race betting --

When it's obvious to a LOT of horseplayers that nothing could be further from the truth.

It's frustrating (to me) because (Imo) acting on actual customer needs and wants could make this game SO much better track revenue-wise and purse money-wise than it currently is.

Think $30B to $50B handle a year vs. (what?) $10.6B a year.


But instead, we are currently being spoon fed Horse Racing Roulette --

I use the word spoon fed here because while the graphic below was being shown on the track video stream Gulfstream's track announcer was telling us that the Roulette payoff at $3.00 was (and I quote) "not bad."

Maybe it was "not bad" because $3.00 was also what the win mutuel paid.

BUT --

More than $960,000 was bet on yesterday's Gulfstream Race 8.

Of that only $88 was bet on Horse Racing Roulette.

Vic, at first I shared your opinion that "The existence of the wager is meaningless to the rest of us."

But the more I think about it the more I'm convinced the game is being sorely mismanaged by those who THINK they know what they are doing --

After a certain point I find THAT to be both frustrating and insulting.

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Old 02-21-2019, 04:11 PM   #65
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There's something else I find objectionable --

In an effort to spoon feed us Horse Racing Roulette, Gulfstream is now cutting into track signal screen real estate that was formerly available for showing the horses during pre-race warmups.

Speaking strictly for myself, I'd much rather see:

The Stronach Group decide to drop Horse Racing Roulette right now (because it's a bad idea that's clearly not being embraced by the public.)

As opposed to:

Keep spoon feeding it to us while making it even harder to see horses during pre-race warmups than before Horse Racing Roulette.

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Old 02-21-2019, 04:26 PM   #66
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Hey Jeff....I'm giving you a little heads-up of something I posted in the 20th NHC thread....If you do the work, there's gold be to found.
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Old 02-21-2019, 04:39 PM   #67
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I don't understand why anybody cares about Roulette?

If a total novice thinks it's interesting that's cool.

The existence of the wager is meaningless to the rest of us.

Isn't it?
I know one thing is for sure. The existence of the wager is certainly meaningless to the bottom line of those tracks that sponsor it, as well as 99.9999999% of the racing wagering public.
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Old 02-21-2019, 04:48 PM   #68
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So isn't time to close the thread on this meaningless wager and topic?...I think so...
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Old 02-21-2019, 05:17 PM   #69
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In my opinion --

This demonstrates once again how out of touch upper track management and horsemen are when it comes to actual customer needs and wants.
Out of touch kinda infers they're not cognizant nor aware. I think they are. I also think they just dont care.
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Old 02-21-2019, 07:39 PM   #70
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I think a bridge jumper should start bombing the pools. This will either make the tracks cancel this wager or, if he misses, get people excited about the wager.
Point me to some $26 pools and I may do this.
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Old 02-21-2019, 07:48 PM   #71
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I'd rather wager on which horse will take the biggest dump, just prior to entering the starting gate....No bridge-jumping, just pile-jumping like the roulette wager....
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Old 02-21-2019, 08:41 PM   #72
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I think a bridge jumper should start bombing the pools. This will either make the tracks cancel this wager or, if he misses, get people excited about the wager.
Someone was doing it today at Gulfstream, but to get 1/9 does not take much $20, $50, maybe $100 in some races.

The problem is you need to pick the WINNER and I haven't seen any horses or combos higher than a 60% chance of winning by my handicapping.

I like this bet more than the 'Jackpot pools' they have been pushing in recent years.

So if you do not like it, come up with some suggestions that are better. Only Santa Anita and Gulfstream Park are doing this now.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:14 PM   #73
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Someone was doing it today at Gulfstream, but to get 1/9 does not take much $20, $50, maybe $100 in some races.

The problem is you need to pick the WINNER and I haven't seen any horses or combos higher than a 60% chance of winning by my handicapping.

I like this bet more than the 'Jackpot pools' they have been pushing in recent years.

So if you do not like it, come up with some suggestions that are better. Only Santa Anita and Gulfstream Park are doing this now.
I think the point would be to put big roulette bets, then cancel them close to post time. Get the odds fluctuating like crazy.

Drop $200 on Green, wait, then cancel it.
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I'd rather wager on which horse will take the biggest dump, just prior to entering the starting gate....No bridge-jumping, just pile-jumping like the roulette wager....
My mother had a friend in the 1950's who actually swore this was a handicapping angle. Carrying less weight, he claimed.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:19 PM   #75
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My mother had a friend in the 1950's who actually swore this was a handicapping angle. Carrying less weight, he claimed.
I had a friend who swore by this at the Greyhounds...
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