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Old 02-10-2020, 02:50 PM   #466
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Old 02-10-2020, 04:08 PM   #467
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The cons swallow lies from the Trump administration like mother's milk.
One more example here - what else is new?
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Is there a real story to this or just this mindless blurb?
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Desperate Dems are an ugly lot.

All sorts of flailing going on these days...
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Old 02-11-2020, 10:55 AM   #470
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So horsey, when is the "terrible Iranian response" going to happen?

Looks like Trump #WINS again!
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Old 02-11-2020, 01:12 PM   #471
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That is the attitude that almost won all of Europe for Hitler.
Good thing the English wised up and followed Churchill instead of the loser Chamberlin.
My god,talk about trying to rewrite history.
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Old 02-11-2020, 03:44 PM   #472
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My god,talk about trying to rewrite history.
You are suggesting appeasement was the way to go?
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Old 02-11-2020, 04:51 PM   #473
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You are suggesting appeasement was the way to go?
I was referring more to the comment about the English following Churchill instead of Chamberlain. It was Chamberlain who took us into the war. No one followed Churchill, we had already been at war for a while when Churchill took over and he wasn't elected, he just took over when Chamberlain resigned a few months before his death. Also, just after the war he and his party were kicked out when the Labour party won a landslide victory.

In 1938 when Chamberlain went to Munich the British public had no appetite for war, certainly not over the Czechoslovakian issue. It was only 20 years after WW1 where we had sustained brutal losses.

No, appeasement isn't always the way to go, but at that time it was probably the thing that saved us. If we had gone to war then we would almost certainly been defeated as we were very under equipped and the military were advising him against war (as records now released show). We were just not ready for it. He bought us valuable time to build up our forces, particularly the RAF which enabled us to beat the Germans in the Battle of Britain which was what stopped Hitler invading. We wouldn't have had the support of our WW1 allies such as Australia, New Zealand and Canada as they would not automatically have been brought into the war as they were in WW1. France also wasn't ready and the US certainly wouldn't have supported us. If we had gone to war in 1938 things may be very different for us now.

Chamberlain had the overwhelming support of the British public for what he did. He really had no choice. I read an article - which I'll try and find sometime - which ended with words saying something like Chamberlain fought for peace as long as possible and only went to war as a last resort, that's not a bad epitaph.

Of course opinions differ but I read a lot of history and most historians, as more information has become available, are seeing him in a lot better light.
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And you had to go to war because Chamberlin was totally hood-winked by Hitler. Winny saw through him from the git go.

That Chamberlin was not re-elected shows he was not doing what was needed.
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And you had to go to war because Chamberlin was totally hood-winked by Hitler. Winny saw through him from the git go.

That Chamberlin was not re-elected shows he was not doing what was needed.
Chamberlain was not defeated in an election (we don't elect PM's anyway), there was no election. The Conservatives won the election in 1935 and there wasn't another election until 1945. Chamberlain took office as PM after Baldwin resigned in 1937 following the abdication crisis. He resigned in 1940 with the conservatives still holding a large majority because he couldn't get Labour to join in a government of National Unity and advised the King to ask Churchill to take over as Labour would support him. Chamberlain even remained as leader of the conservative party. In fact most conservative MP's supported Chamberlain and didn't want Churchill to take over, they favoured Lord Halifax.

In the election two months after the war it was Churchill and his Conservative party that lost to a landslide Labour victory.
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In the election two months after the war it was Churchill and his Conservative party that lost to a landslide Labour victory.
Nice way to show your gratitude for is efforts.
Chamberlin was one of the biggest WWII enablers.
By being a total idiot or worse.

Says a lot.
FDR should have noted that and stayed home.
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Seems to me, those on the left want to live in a fantasy world: income without effort, college and healthcare without cost, actions without consequences, and victories without losses.

It's a childish fantasy.
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The cons swallow lies from the Trump administration like mother's milk.
One more example here - what else is new?
the last time that happened was when the dims swallowed 0bamas lies
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