Sen. Al Franken Apologizes

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Even though you worship and praise sexual deviates, most people don't.

Hey, you're the one licking windows

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Who gets to set the criteria for judging morality?

I think most emotionally mature and healthy people know these things intuitively and based on how they would feel if someone did x, y, or z to them (even if they choose to act otherwise). However, there are close calls. I think those get sorted out over time as society looks at the results. A consensus eventually forms.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://thinkprogress.org/conservati...-bd797734bf40/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2..._families.html

I'm willing to take 1-9 they are all full of crap.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

So can't someone who is gay feel that children are best raised by a mom and dad? If single people can intellectually reach that conclusion, despite wanting a child themselves, why can't gays also reach that conclusion? It seems some think that it's more important to move a political agenda instead of caring how it affects children.

Without commenting on what I think because I have't seen the data I think it's definitely possible for someone that is gay to think a child would be better off with opposite sex parents on "average". That's different than saying "all cases". Certainly there are some children getting a better upbringing from gay parents than some that are being raised straight parents.

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by Clocker

Problems continue beyond the teen years.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/...best-for-kids/

Nice catch. I'd heard kids that were raised by same sex parents had more problems socially than kids raised in traditional settings. NPR was one source I'd heard that from awhile back.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

Nice catch. I'd heard kids that were raised by same sex parents had more problems socially than kids raised in traditional settings. NPR was one source I'd heard that from awhile back.

Long before the issue of same-sex parents, there seemed to be general agreement that children raised in a traditional household with a mother and a father were better off than a single parent household. And the reason for that was not two parents, but male and female influence and role models.

It would be interesting to see how many modern kids with gender identification issues are not being raised in a traditional two parent household.

[Fager Fan]

Adoption is the reason I'm against same sex marriage. If legal, then married gay couples have to be considered equal when placing children in adoptive homes. Instead, they should be with singles, co-second in line behind heterosexual couples.

Moms and dads are role models for children, and they learn and feel different things from the two. Boys in particular need a male role model in the home. Mothers tend to give more nurturing, while men tend to give children a sense of protection. The biggest influence in a child's life is the same sex parent of that child.

No one should be bullied for being gay (or fat or wearing glasses or being ugly or all the other reasons a child or adult may be bullied), and no one wants gays to feel despair or suicidal for being gay. So I do think the gay movement has helped there. Sorry, I don't call it LGBT. The latter particularly is another kettle of fish. But the normalization has a detrimental effect when it comes to these couple raising children.

So being against same sex marriage, for this reason or others, doesn't make someone bigoted. It means that the issue has some shades of gray, with varying opinions, and no, we are not forced to accept anything and everything about gay life in some backward thinking that this is required to not be a bigot.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

https://thinkprogress.org/conservati...-bd797734bf40/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2..._families.html

Here is a link found within your slate.com story which contains 75 studies which prove that children raised by same sex parents are just as well adjusted as children raised by parents of different sexes.
http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/t...sbian-parents/

And, of course, this will do nothing to change the opinions of the troglydytes on the other side.

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by FantasticDan

You do realize that gays are already "allowed" to adopt, right? There are tens of thousands of adopted children living in same-sex couple households right now.

Learn to read. Where did I say they weren't allowed to? I stated a condition should exist. And this makes me a bigot?
You are your own party's worse enemy. The garbage you belch only makes the rest them look even worse.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Here is a link found within your slate.com story which contains 75 studies which prove that children raised by same sex parents are just as well adjusted as children raised by parents of different sexes.
http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/t...sbian-parents/

And, of course, this will do nothing to change the opinions of the troglydytes on the other side.

You just posted an article about studies only as much as 30 years old, with small sample sizes, and that only noted "schooling outcome" as their basis to apparently giving a thumbs up to gay parenting.

This troglodyte can even see those flaws. Parenting by gay parents is a pretty new phenomenon so we'll be seeing better studies over the next decades. Even then, these studies may have inherent difficulties because these children will undoubtedly love their parents and they'll often likely not want to damage the gay marriage cause.

[BaffertsWig]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

Adoption is the reason I'm against same sex marriage. If legal, then married gay couples have to be considered equal when placing children in adoptive homes. Instead, they should be with singles, co-second in line behind heterosexual couples.

Moms and dads are role models for children, and they learn and feel different things from the two. Boys in particular need a male role model in the home. Mothers tend to give more nurturing, while men tend to give children a sense of protection. The biggest influence in a child's life is the same sex parent of that child.

Is this the thread where we post like it's 1940?

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by BaffertsWig

Is this the thread where we post like it's 1940?

Haven't you heard about that new up-and-comer Robert Byrd? He's very popular around here

[Tom]

Very sick......you laugh at the terrorism of a entire race, yet you wet your pants about something Trump said in a car obviously bragging to another guy. And you accuse others here of being racist while you support a Grand Dragon.

My, how white your sheet is.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by BaffertsWig

Is this the thread where we post like it's 1940?

As if nothing was right about the 1940s?

The last I looked, the wisdom of nature hasn't changed since the 1940s. Two of the same sex still can't conceive.

Having a stable and loving home with a mom and dad are just as important now as they were then.

[FantasticDan]

Originally Posted by Tom

My, how white your sheet is.

Don't be jealous, I'm sure a cup of bleach will get those yellow stains out of yours