Special Guest Andy Beyer THURSDAY on Winning Ponies Radio Show! - Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com

winningponies · 08-12-2010, 02:11 AM

On Thursday 8/12 at 8pm ET (5pm PT), on our live Internet radio horse racing show Winning Ponies, we welcome handicapper Andy Beyer!

Andy is one of the greatest minds in the thoroughbred racing industry. While attending Harvard in the 1960s, he decided to pursue his passion -- beating the horse races. Over the past four decades, his research and insights have revolutionized and legitimized the industry. Using his math skills, Mr. Beyer created a new way to rate the speed of a horse in a race. The formula he created, known as the "Beyer Figures", has allowed horse enthusiasts around the world to better gauge how well a horse ran in previous races and from this information, deduce the potential speed of the horse in future races.

You can hear the show live (as well as the past archived shows) at: http://www.modavox.com/voiceamerica/vshow.aspx?sid=1448

We hope you tune in live, and feel free to call in (888-346-9144) to speak with our special guest. We are offering a free WinningPonies.com baseball cap to everyone who calls into the show!

Our show airs live every Thursday at the same time, and we always try to book exciting guests. Our host, Ed Meyer, is very knowledgeable, with many years of hands-on experience in the industry. We also have a segment where we preview the big races for the upcoming weekend and give out some free hot plays.

We hope you listen in, and any feedback about the show would be appreciated.

thaskalos · 08-12-2010, 02:18 AM

It wasn't Andy Beyer who created the formula by which the famous "Beyer" figures were made.

The math genius who created the formula was Sheldon Kovitz...his Harvard classmate.

PaceAdvantage · 08-12-2010, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos

It wasn't Andy Beyer who created the formula by which the famous "Beyer" figures were made.

The math genius who created the formula was Sheldon Kovitz...his Harvard classmate.

Did not Beyer acknowledge this in Picking Winners? Yes he did. Called Kovitz a genius in fact...

thaskalos · 08-12-2010, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Did not Beyer acknowledge this in Picking Winners? Yes he did. Called Kovitz a genius in fact...

Yes he did. He also mentioned him in his book, "The Winning Horseplayer".

thaskalos · 08-12-2010, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Did not Beyer acknowledge this in Picking Winners? Yes he did. Called Kovitz a genius in fact...

PA...do you want me to call the radio show...and ask Andy Beyer for his opinion, on our Rachel-Zenyatta debate?

Pick6 · 08-12-2010, 02:41 AM

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Yes he did. He also mentioned him in his book, "The Winning Horseplayer".

Has he ever compared beyers to ragozin numbers?

PaceAdvantage · 08-12-2010, 02:42 AM

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PA...do you want me to call the radio show...and ask Andy Beyer for his opinion, on our Rachel-Zenyatta debate?

I want you to do whatever your little heart desires.

thaskalos · 08-12-2010, 02:45 AM

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Has he ever compared beyers to ragozin numbers?

As I recall, he had compimentary words to say about Len Ragozin...but he was skeptical about the concept of making figure adjustments based on ground loss.

Pick6 · 08-12-2010, 02:48 AM

I developed a chart reading program that used fairly simple logic to deduce where a horse was placed around the turns, and thus implied distance run.

It was one of my better pure numbers tools for dirt. It worked great at the CA tracks until they brought the wax in.

thaskalos · 08-12-2010, 02:57 AM

Beyer's criticism of the concept was valid, in my opinion.

He asked the question:

Suppose 2 horses were involved in a heated head-to-head speed duel, until the turn for home...at which point, a stretch runner came at them, four wide.

Let's say that these 3 horses finished in a photo for the win.

How in the world can we justify giving extra credit to the wide-circling horse, when the dueling speed horses obviously ran the more impressive race?

winningponies · 08-12-2010, 03:01 AM

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PA...do you want me to call the radio show...and ask Andy Beyer for his opinion, on our Rachel-Zenyatta debate?

That would be a great topic to discuss on the air IMO.

thaskalos · 08-12-2010, 03:03 AM

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That would be a great topic to discuss on the air IMO.

I would love to call the show and talk to Beyer. A class act, with a ton of integrity IMO.

The_Knight_Sky · 08-12-2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by thaskalos

The math genius who created the formula was Sheldon Kovitz
...his Harvard classmate.

I wonder if the genius has retired to the proverbial "villa in Marrakesh"

Tom · 08-12-2010, 10:29 AM

Looking forward to listening.
Andy is always entertaining.

Mike at A+ · 08-12-2010, 10:44 AM

I remember a long time ago, probably 15-25 years ago, we were up in Saratoga and Andy Beyer was doing commentary for an good upcoming race. My figures pointed to a shipper that looked like a monster on paper (I think from Finger Lakes if I'm not mistaken) and took a lot of early money (including mine) in the win pool. I remember the morning line being somewhere around 6/1 and the early betting knocked my horse down to 5/2. Andy Beyer said (about my horse) something to the effect of "If that horse wins, they will have to carry me out of the track". He liked a more classy horse ridden by Angel Cordero, Jr. that eventually went off as the odds on favorite as my horse drifted up to closing odds of 9/2 (thanks to Mr. Beyer's comments). My horse got the early lead and as they began the turn from the backstretch, Cordero moved up on the outside and drew even looking like he would blow by. But my horse had another gear and drew off winning easily. To this day, I thank Mr. Beyer for helping me win a lot more on one of the biggest win bets I ever made.