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03-08-2011, 05:31 PM
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Phone calls to the stewards during an inquiry
Bob Baffert was able to call and talk directly to the stewards during the Big Cap inquiry. It had been reported and witnessed, as written by DRF and others.
My question is this: How easy is it to reach the stewards in the middle of an inquiry and objection?
Had the proper protocol been followed in terms of inteviewing the jockeys involved during the 12 minutes following the race?
And what would prevent, hypothetically speaking, an owner/agent of an owner/ or even other trainers not directly involved in the inquiry from picking up the phone and speaking directly to a steward in the middle of any inquiry/objection?
I am not contesting the stewards' decision. I am, as any serious racing fan/patron/customer would be, highly disturbed about this apparent easy access route of communication to the stewards' box. Are there no published rules or regulations in soCal to prevent this?
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03-08-2011, 05:32 PM
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Why would they be accepting phone calls? Man this sport is jacked up.
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03-08-2011, 05:41 PM
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Money Talks!
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03-08-2011, 05:44 PM
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Baffert discussed that on At the Races yesterday. Chantal is on also (in the second segment, the site has her in the third) You can listen here
http://www.thoroughbredracingradione...y=07&Itemid=35
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03-08-2011, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
Why would they be accepting phone calls? Man this sport is jacked up.
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A trainer may talk to the stewards when there is a claim of foul regarding their horse after the race.A trainer may also claim foul on another horse right after the race before it becomes official.The clerk of scales has a phone you can use and there is also one in the grandstand.All tracks have them..You may also call the stewards anytime except during the running of a race.
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03-08-2011, 05:55 PM
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I know they can claim foul. However, there is nothing a trainer should be able to say that a jockey can't, or that they stewards can't see for themselves.
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03-08-2011, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I know they can claim foul. However, there is nothing a trainer should be able to say that a jockey can't, or that they stewards can't see for themselves.
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When the money is on the line there is a lot of chirping.I do agree with you but it is done.I have never done it,I just hold my breath and hope I dont come down
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03-08-2011, 06:37 PM
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I've never seen anything more morally wrong in my life. There is absolutely no way a trainer should be able to call the stewards to talk during an inquiry. That is absurd. Bob Baffert could absolutely have an influence on stewards. I dont understand what could have possibly been said.
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03-08-2011, 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by McSchell_Racing
When the money is on the line there is a lot of chirping.I do agree with you but it is done.I have never done it,I just hold my breath and hope I dont come down
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An owner can also claim foul. The trainer may have seen something during the race that the jockey cannot explain to the stewards, I find nothing wrong with a trainer calling and discussing the race.
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03-08-2011, 06:55 PM
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The rule is wrong. It should be the Stewards Call
The rules allow owners and trainers to talk to Stewards during an inquiry.
Can you imagine if the NFL, Baseball, Hockey, Soccer, had a similar rule?
Wouldn't that be a mad house. 
The rules should be changed.
The Stewards should have the option of:
a. reviewing with out talking to anyone
b. talking to the jockey
c. or anyone else.
But it should be the STEWARDS CALL on who they talk to.
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03-08-2011, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
An owner can also claim foul. The trainer may have seen something during the race that the jockey cannot explain to the stewards, I find nothing wrong with a trainer calling and discussing the race.
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I'll keep an open mind. How about a few examples?
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03-08-2011, 07:16 PM
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Craig---Let's go way back in time. When Garden State Park was a first line track. When Liberty Bell Park had t-bred racing in the summer. It was then uncommon to see a trainer on the phone to the stewards. But it did happen, and more than just once or twice. Same thing with the old Delaware Park. Remember Dennis "Goose" Heimer?? He must have known the stewards pretty well. 
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03-08-2011, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Greyfox
The rules allow owners and trainers to talk to Stewards during an inquiry.
Can you imagine if the NFL, Baseball, Hockey, Soccer, had a similar rule?
Wouldn't that be a mad house.
The rules should be changed.
The Stewards should have the option of
a. reviewing with out talking to anyone
b. talking to the jockey
c. or anyone else.
But it should be the STEWARDS CALL on who they talk to. |
I totally agree and will take it a step further. I don't think the stewards should talk to anyone. Every person they talk to will be biased due to their own rooting interest.....your analogies to other sports are spot on, as the participants don't get a chance to plead their case or influence things and that is how it should be in racing IMO.
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03-08-2011, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I'll keep an open mind. How about a few examples?
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January 14th at GP the owner put an objection in several minutes after the race was over, Larry Collmus announced it over the public address system. 2008 at MP Greg Sacco went to the stewards office when his horse Cachinnated ridden by Jose Lezcano was involved in an inquiry with one of Frank Stronachs horses ridden by Joe Bravo to discuss the inquiry and eventual takedown of Cachinnated.
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03-08-2011, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by onefast99
January 14th at GP the owner put an objection in several minutes after the race was over, Larry Collmus announced it over the public address system. 2008 at MP Greg Sacco went to the stewards office when his horse Cachinnated ridden by Jose Lezcano was involved in an inquiry with one of Frank Stronachs horses ridden by Joe Bravo to discuss the inquiry and eventual takedown of Cachinnated.
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Right, but why was the input of a trainer or owner needed? They are not participants in the race itself. I don't see anything of value they could possibly add. I have no problem with them lodging an objection, though we all know 99.9% of the time they are dismissed. But as far as talking to the stewards, I just don't see what value they can add to the proceedings.
To be honest, I don't even think they should talk to jockeys most of the time. It gives an unfair advantage to a jockey that is a better speaker, or a native English speaker.
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