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Old 06-26-2018, 04:57 PM   #31
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I had to read this a few times to grock what it is you're saying

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This is what 93% of all 'debates' here get right down to and you are surprised?
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This is what 93% of all 'debates' here get right down to and you are surprised?
The factual differences between the two policies?

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The factual differences between the two policies?
Why? My comment is about the ridiculous nature of dismissing everything and anything the 'other side' says just because you can find some association that shows them acting poorly - in this case a century ago. It is asinine.

Edited because I can lump the similar theory of suddenly accepting some poor behavior that you chastised the 'other side' about and now somehow can excuse by noting that the 'other side' did it and so yeah baby we are just playing by their rules. Not relevant to what you posted, but related and equally stupid.
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Old 06-26-2018, 05:27 PM   #34
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Sometimes a review of the history aligns perspective, some suggest that it is absolutely necessary. Only going back to 9/11 with the understanding all intelligence arms and some foreign agency's warned the Bush administration that something was coming in a attack but the warnings were not specific. The problem about a young administration is the enormity of the Federal Government and its soft targets. Accurately saying the Bush Administration dropped the ball by doing nothing then as usual of all governments acting purely reactive. Today's 5 to 4 SJC decision sheds more light on the problem of continued problems in our government, The President of the United States first and most paramount responsibility is to keep us safe. It amplifies just how disjointed 4 SCJ are and the need to replace some of those 4. It should have been a 9 to 0 outcome, the need of the executive to execute his fiduciary responsibility is absolute.
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Why? My comment is about the ridiculous nature of dismissing everything and anything the 'other side' says just because you can find some association that shows them acting poorly - in this case a century ago. It is asinine.

Edited because I can lump the similar theory of suddenly accepting some poor behavior that you chastised the 'other side' about and now somehow can excuse by noting that the 'other side' did it and so yeah baby we are just playing by their rules. Not relevant to what you posted, but related and equally stupid.
You weren't talking about this a month ago so why now?

Because you are a sheep and you flock to the news cycle. Never question it's timing or intent. Why? Because there is a predetermined goal. You are so obvious it's. Well that will be your first counter argument. Go boy...
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You weren't talking about this a month ago so why now?

Because you are a sheep and you flock to the news cycle. Never question it's timing or intent. Why? Because there is a predetermined goal. You are so obvious it's. Well that will be your first counter argument. Go boy...
English por favor. I wasnt talking about it because Show Me The Wire didn't declare that Democrats arent worth listening to on the subject because of Japanese internment last month.
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Why? My comment is about the ridiculous nature of dismissing everything and anything the 'other side' says just because you can find some association that shows them acting poorly - in this case a century ago. It is asinine.

Edited because I can lump the similar theory of suddenly accepting some poor behavior that you chastised the 'other side' about and now somehow can excuse by noting that the 'other side' did it and so yeah baby we are just playing by their rules. Not relevant to what you posted, but related and equally stupid.

However, I did not dismiss everything and anything FanDan said solely on political party lines. I gave specifics framed in a historical perspective.

Political parties are based in ideology and the Dem party has been steeped in identity politics and racism for a very long time. People who adhere to identity politics have no moral ground, on which, to lecture us. That was my first point and then I backed up my assertion that FanDan lacked moral authority and intellectual authority to lecture us as he did not understand the difference between a racist presidential and congressional action, based on identity politics (Japanese Americans being racially different) against U.S. citizens and a presidential action directed towards foreign nationals living on foreign soil in the name of national defense.

So yes political parties are everything when someone wants to claim the moral and intellectual high ground, while actually using that political parties talking points about national defense and the politics of defending the country against foreign threats.

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However, I did not dismiss everything and anything FanDan said solely on political party lines. I gave specifics framed in a historical perspective.

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I like you and appreciate the effort, but you know, when you aren't so emotionally invested in 'either side' this type of argument over and over, day after day, just gets to sounding so hollow. Robert Byrd as the counter-point to everything, same thing. Silliness. Of all the lessons to take away from things like the KKK invading Congress and Japanese internment - only listening to those that think like you would not seem to be at the top o' the list.

Edit- I just want to add because I meant to point out that I really just picked on you in part because you aren't dull. It could have been any number of people that use this line of reason with even less consideration, I guess.
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Sometimes a review of the history aligns perspective, some suggest that it is absolutely necessary. Only going back to 9/11 with the understanding all intelligence arms and some foreign agency's warned the Bush administration that something was coming in a attack but the warnings were not specific. The problem about a young administration is the enormity of the Federal Government and its soft targets. Accurately saying the Bush Administration dropped the ball by doing nothing then as usual of all governments acting purely reactive. Today's 5 to 4 SJC decision sheds more light on the problem of continued problems in our government, The President of the United States first and most paramount responsibility is to keep us safe. It amplifies just how disjointed 4 SCJ are and the need to replace some of those 4. It should have been a 9 to 0 outcome, the need of the executive to execute his fiduciary responsibility is absolute.
Well said.

Absolutely the vote should have been 9 to 0. Any justice voting against a Presidential action against foreign nationals living on foreign soil in the interest of national security is intellectually dishonest and based solely in political party affiliations.
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Political parties are based in ideology and the Dem party has been steeped in identity politics and racism for a very long time. People who adhere to identity politics have no moral ground, on which, to lecture us. That was my first point and then I backed up my assertion that FanDan lacked moral authority and intellectual authority to lecture us as he did not understand the difference between a racist presidential and congressional action, based on identity politics (Japanese Americans being racially different) against U.S. citizens and a presidential action directed towards foreign nationals living on foreign soil in the name of national defense.
I lectured you I posted a tweet from the senior editor at the Atlantic.

Short lecture
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I like you and appreciate the effort, but you know, when you aren't so emotionally invested in 'either side' this type of argument over and over, day after day, just gets to sounding so hollow. Robert Byrd as the counter-point to everything, same thing. Silliness. Of all the lessons to take away from things like the KKK invading Congress and Japanese internment - only listening to those that think like you would not seem to be at the top o' the list.

Edit- I just want to add because I meant to point out that I really just picked on you in part because you aren't dull. It could have been any number of people that use this line of reason with even less consideration, I guess.
Another reason the Japanese interment camps being mentioned is Justice Sotomayor's dissent. She purposely and intellectually dishonestly invoked the Japanese interment camps in her dissent. Why? To play identity politics by injecting the dem party line.

You may not like it, johnhannibalsmith, but political party affiliation is everything now a days.
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I lectured you I posted a tweet from the senior editor at the Atlantic.

Short lecture
Since Trump won all we have been hearing that he is a racist and all his actions are based in prejudice against people due to their identities. Also, that anyone who voted for or now supports Trump is a racist too.

It has been a continuing long-term lecture and nothing short about it. It is time to stop.
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You may not like it, johnhannibalsmith, but political party affiliation is everything now a days.
Bernie Dems and Hillary Dems. Marco/McCain Repubs and Trump Repubs. I don't know. Both parties can't quite figure out which way the wind is blowing and are as fractured as ever themselves.
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Bernie Dems and Hillary Dems. Marco/McCain Repubs and Trump Repubs. I don't know. Both parties can't quite figure out which way the wind is blowing and are as fractured as ever themselves.
The dems, no matter who they supprt, are united in their narrative, Trump is evil, racist and a Nazi and so is anyone who voted for him and/or supports him or his policies.

Look at the dem talking points today Trump is discriminating against a religion and the argument is boosted by Justice Sotomayor's dissent alleging such. Political party affiliation is everything to the dems and as such they are not worth listening to.

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Sometimes a review of the history aligns perspective, some suggest that it is absolutely necessary. Only going back to 9/11 with the understanding all intelligence arms and some foreign agency's warned the Bush administration that something was coming in a attack but the warnings were not specific. The problem about a young administration is the enormity of the Federal Government and its soft targets. Accurately saying the Bush Administration dropped the ball by doing nothing then as usual of all governments acting purely reactive. Today's 5 to 4 SJC decision sheds more light on the problem of continued problems in our government, The President of the United States first and most paramount responsibility is to keep us safe. It amplifies just how disjointed 4 SCJ are and the need to replace some of those 4. It should have been a 9 to 0 outcome, the need of the executive to execute his fiduciary responsibility is absolute.
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