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02-29-2012, 12:26 AM
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Sonoma uploaded a copy of the letter.. it starts on page 23.. Letter To The Committee
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02-29-2012, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by KirisClown
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Well this is unfortunate.
It do blow the 'capitalistic' theorem touSand was floatin' out the back window.
Work for free?
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02-29-2012, 12:47 AM
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Is there a written contract with Wrona or is this a hand shake agreement? This all confuses me of why Stauffer would expect them to either salt n pepper Wronas contract or renege on a hand shake agreement.
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02-29-2012, 12:47 AM
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It makes sense I guess...
Just because our bills are being paid, and our family's financial future is secure...does that mean we can't railroad someone out of a job that's rightfully his?
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02-29-2012, 12:52 AM
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Got's announcers playin'....back stabbers....back stabbers! WHAT THEY DO? they smilin' in yo' face, all the while they wanna take yo' place...
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02-29-2012, 01:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chickenhead
Got's announcers playin'....back stabbers....back stabbers! WHAT THEY DO? they smilin' in yo' face, all the while they wanna take yo' place...
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Very clever, Chick.
Know what? This is SO unseemly and SO inside it feels odd to be reading such things. Perhaps in fairness to VJS, cj could close this t until he has a chance to respond. Utterwise, things could get ugly REAL fast.
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02-29-2012, 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bigmack
Very clever, Chick.
Know what? This is SO unseemly and SO inside it feels odd to be reading such things. Perhaps in fairness to VJS, cj could close this t until he has a chance to respond. Utterwise, things could get ugly REAL fast.
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02-29-2012, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by bigmack
Very clever, Chick.
Know what? This is SO unseemly and SO inside it feels odd to be reading such things. Perhaps in fairness to VJS, cj could close this t until he has a chance to respond. Utterwise, things could get ugly REAL fast.
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Yea WAY too much personal info in that letter for all to see. It shouldnt be here.
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02-29-2012, 01:09 AM
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instead of closing the thread we should be coming up with a better plan that sonoma could implement to make better use of that $4500 a week they're going to pay a guy to announce races.
here's mine:
hire a university of az kid to call the races at a small fraction of that price and use the rest to have two running double elimination heads up handicapping tournaments for live sonoma fans. tournament A by number of winners (with criteria to break ties) and tournament B by total prices of daily winners with all picks submitted in person before these live cards. i say use this money to promote handicapping and live racing attendance!!
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02-29-2012, 01:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmack
Very clever, Chick.
Know what? This is SO unseemly and SO inside it feels odd to be reading such things. Perhaps in fairness to VJS, cj could close this t until he has a chance to respond. Utterwise, things could get ugly REAL fast.
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cj? Oh, now cj is first call around here...
I'll remind you sir...oh, never mind...
Anyway, why close it? It's all there in black and white...a matter of public record. Nothing is being "disclosed" here....
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02-29-2012, 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by olddaddy
Yea WAY too much personal info in that letter for all to see. It shouldnt be here.
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It's not here on PaceAdvantage...it's on the http://www.sonomacountyfair.com/ website. Part of the public record.
Last edited by PaceAdvantage; 02-29-2012 at 01:11 AM.
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02-29-2012, 01:13 AM
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I read Vic Stauffer's letter.
What I heard was a man pleading for a job that he used to have. I read no indication that he was throwing Wrona under the bus. He did not even mention Mr. Wrona's name.
Of course, logically, if Mr. Stauffer gets the job then Mr. Wrona doesn't.
Now, I admit that I try to see the best in people wherever I can but my take here was a little different. I see a competitive situation. If Mr. Wrona already had the job then it was just wasted effort. If not, then it was competitive effort.
Of course, perhaps there is an unwritten code about unseating a "sitting" announcer. (Pun intended.) If so, then my assessment is dead wrong and Mr. Stauffer should have known better.
But until someone who has such knowledge of the "code of announcers" I will choose to give Vic the benefit of the doubt and assume he did not cross a line.
Regards,
Dave Schwartz
As always the opinions expressed
by Mr. Schwartz do not necessarily
represent those of management.
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02-29-2012, 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage
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Oh ok, I didnt know. I just didnt want anyone getting into trouble here.
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02-29-2012, 01:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by proximity
instead of closing the thread we should be coming up with a better plan that sonoma could implement to make better use of that $4500 a week they're going to pay a guy to announce races.
here's mine:
hire a university of az kid to call the races at a small fraction of that price and use the rest to have two running double elimination heads up handicapping tournaments for live sonoma fans. tournament A by number of winners (with criteria to break ties) and tournament B by total prices of daily winners with all picks submitted in person before these live cards. i say use this money to promote handicapping and live racing attendance!!
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Cost cutting. See, I knew this was going to move in a nice direction. Who was the nut that wanted it shut down? Back of the bus for you, Bub.
Any other ideas for announcer? Is William Conrad available?
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02-29-2012, 01:16 AM
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PA Steward
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Or, if bigmack had his way:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Schwartz
As always the opinions expressed
by Mr. Schwartz do not necessarily
represent those of cj.
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