Desormeaux,Bad ride period.

[larman]

Big Brown was probly never going to win at a mile and ahalf anyway
because of breeding limitations. But watch the replay and see kent D.
strangling the horse to the first turn,then trying to get off the rail
twice instead of either sending him or biding his time was a prime example
of terrible riding,he took all the starch out of big brown. with the slow
fractions this horse should have been on the pace.Maybe because Kent D.
blew his last shot at a triple crown by moving far too earrly he
was determined to sit chilly at any cost saturday?

[King Ritchie]

Originally Posted by larman

Big Brown was probly never going to win at a mile and ahalf anyway
because of breeding limitations. But watch the replay and see kent D.
strangling the horse to the first turn,then trying to get off the rail
twice instead of either sending him or biding his time was a prime example
of terrible riding,he took all the starch out of big brown. with the slow
fractions this horse should have been on the pace.Maybe because Kent D.
blew his last shot at a triple crown by moving far too earrly he
was determined to sit chilly at any cost saturday?

I Agree - bad ride. He looked over 5 times before he moved Brown to the outside so it is obivious that the stragety was to get the horse to the outside. Who knows what actually happened to Brown when Kent took a hold of him and slammed him against the outside horse. Then he proceeds to ride the horse 7 wide all the way down the backstretch. A requirement for my jockeys is that have an IQ greater than 80. I wouldn't ride this whimp on my $5,000 claimers.

I had $20 to win on the winner. I will tell you my secret for picking this horse later....................

[badcompany]

The excuse train keeps rolling. So, the horse had a little trouble on the first turn, big deal a 1/5 shot should be able to overcome that. He was 3 wide for the entire Derby and that didn't seem to be a problem.

Big Brown was in perfect position and came up empty. That's all.

[BIG HIT]

I didn't like fact trainer took him off lasix instead of his usual doseage.Think that was reason for poor race.True not greatest ride but he did say horse was push button which he was not.And glad to see he thought of horse frist and pulled up.

[rokitman]

I don't see what all the speculation is about. It seems quite obvious to me that it was the The Curse of Commentator that produced this result. The Racing Gods waited very patiently for the absolute best time to exact their revenge.

Bravo, boys, bravo.

[the little guy]

What rider would have won on Big Brown?

[Greyfox]

The ride was poor. The possibility that the horse was hit in the leg with a "stinger" in the first two furlongs when he ran too close to another horse is possible. Taking him wide around the first turn cost valuable lengths.
But when the time came to try and even compete for the lead, there was no gas in the tank.
If there was no gas in the tank, you might want to look at the man who puts the fuel in. Maybe in different States, he uses different "gas."

[Pace Cap'n]

Originally Posted by the little guy

What rider would have won on Big Brown?

Originally Posted by rokitman

Bravo, boys, bravo.

!

[Tom]

Originally Posted by the little guy

What rider would have won on Big Brown?

Shaq.

[garyoz]

Originally Posted by the little guy

What rider would have won on Big Brown?

No one.

He is a lightly raced, unsound horse who tried to run 3 races in 5 weeks. Perhaps he only got as far as he did thanks to Dutrow's magic (aka PEDs).

Never ceases to amaze me how horseplayers overestimate the importance of jockies, esp. on a circuit like NYRA.

Dutrow was classless and certainly not a good representative of the Sport of Kings. At least KD faced the media.

[SmartyMarty]

Originally Posted by the little guy

What rider would have won on Big Brown?

Banana Nose woulda won by 10...

happy now?

[Spendabuck85]

Originally Posted by BIG HIT

I didn't like fact trainer took him off lasix instead of his usual doseage.Think that was reason for poor race.

Big Brown was on Lasix Saturday. Perhaps you meant steroids.

[Seabiscuit@AR]

It was a bad ride but the jockey probably figured he was on a horse that was too good so he was happy to sit wide and not risk getting boxed in

The bottom line though is that it was a disgraceful performance from a supposed top line horse. I have never seen a worse performance from a major player in a big race anywhere in the world. Even with a bad ride he should have been able to battle bravely on for a respectable finish position

[ezrabrooks]

Watching live, I thought KD has screwed the pooch...but, after looking at the replay, it was more just racing luck. Not the greatest of trips..but not all KD's fault, and nothing that a TC Champion shouldn't be able to overcome.

[headhawg]

Originally Posted by ezrabrooks

Watching live, I thought KD has screwed the pooch...but, after looking at the replay, it was more just racing luck. Not the greatest of trips..but not all KD's fault, and nothing that a TC Champion shouldn't be able to overcome.

Finally, a more reasonable viewpoint...