Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Why would you need to? Young people are 99.9% unaffected by the corona virus. There are several countries that have not closed schools and have not had any problems.

Young people are carriers and transmitters.

[davew]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

You can't "ease" into opening a school as you could in opening a restaurant. Even the few U.S. States that are opening up business-wise are doing so with certain distancing provisions in mind. How do you do that with a school? You can limit the number of customers...but can you do that with students?

many restaurants can not make a profit if only half full at peak (due to new space limitations)

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

This looks to me like a parental decision, at this stage of the game. With the fear that is being played out on our streets...there is no telling what the public reaction would be if the schools were to suddenly open on Monday.

Fear is probably our biggest problem. Sending kids back to school would be the logical choice where a rational examination of the risks took place.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Young people are carriers and transmitters.

True. So people who are at risk should continue to take necessary measures to stay safe.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by AndyC

True. So people who are at risk should continue to take necessary measures to stay safe.

True. And children of those at risk should take necessary measures to keep their children away from grandparents.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Young people are carriers and transmitters.

Keep your distance.

[PaceAdvantage]

I wonder just how deep and far this fear goes...

For instance...if the media came out and started reporting the having children put you at 50x higher risk for catching COVID-19, how many parents do you think would get rid of their children (at least temporarily).

Nothing would shock me at this point.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Keep your distance.

Excuse me?

We know how young children typically behave in public. Would you expect them to fully understand and respect distancing guidelines?

Parents should discipline their children to keep their distance from me.

Or keep them the **** home.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by TJDave

Excuse me?

We know how young children typically behave in public. Would you expect them to fully understand and respect distancing guidelines?

Parents should discipline their children to keep their distance from me.

Or keep them the **** home.

Excuse you?

It was a rather short, very easy to understand reply. lol

You see a kid, keep your distance. That's all...very simple.

I mean, if you think they're dangerous, just stay away. It's not all that difficult.

[ElKabong]

The absolute fear of some on this board is amazing. Their lunch money back in the day must have belonged to others.

BOO !

[hcap]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

The absolute fear of some on this board is amazing. Their lunch money back in the day must have belonged to others.

BOO !

There is reason to be fearful......

Why daily death tolls have become unusually important in understanding the coronavirus pandemic
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01008-1


COVID-19 is different from the viral epidemics of the recent past in a few ways: it is more widespread than severe acute respiratory syndrome, more infectious than seasonal influenza and has killed more people than Ebola.

And it is different in the way that epidemiologists are tracking its progress. Instead of relying principally on the number of infections, or the ratio of deaths to infections — known as the case fatality rate — researchers are looking at the daily deaths attributed to COVID-19 to monitor the impact of the disease and to guide responses.

In part, that’s due to a lack of testing in many countries — and the virus’s ability to spread in people who don’t show symptoms — both of which make counting the number of infections very difficult. COVID-19 has also been more fatal than many recent epidemics, which makes its death toll relevant to understanding the pandemic more broadly.

[hcap]

We are still a long way from knowing if Sweden approach is working.

Sweden Steps Up Coronavirus Controls as Warm Weather Adds to Risks
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-adds-to-risks

Sweden says it may adopt a tougher approach in enforcing social distancing guidelines after throngs of people headed for parks, bars and restaurants to make the most of the warm weather.

The country has so far stood out for its relaxed approach to fighting Covid-19, with the government relying on citizens to act sensibly, rather than imposing new laws or a full lockdown.

But on Friday, Interior Minister Mikael Damberg urged Swedes not to let down their guard. While most people in Stockholm are acting responsibly, Damberg said “in some places and in some situations, the recommendations aren’t being followed.” Speaking to reporters in the capital, he said, “This is a critical situation and it’s time to follow the guidelines and take responsibility.”

[46zilzal]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I wonder just how deep and far this fear goes...

For instance...if the media came out and started reporting the having children put you at 50x higher risk for catching COVID-19, how many parents do you think would get rid of their children (at least temporarily).

Some of us KNOW first hand about infections but to others it is some nebulous concept that they READ about it.

This reminds me qualitatively (NOT quantitatively) with the MRSA (Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus aureus) problem that arose in many of the hospital I attended over the years where special precaution were implemented to mollify (NOT STOP) the spread of it.

[TJDave]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Excuse you?

It was a rather short, very easy to understand reply. lol

You see a kid, keep your distance. That's all...very simple.

I mean, if you think they're dangerous, just stay away. It's not all that difficult.

Not my job. Parents need to control their children’s behavior.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

We are still a long way from knowing if Sweden approach is working.

Sweden Steps Up Coronavirus Controls as Warm Weather Adds to Risks
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-adds-to-risks

Sweden says it may adopt a tougher approach in enforcing social distancing guidelines after throngs of people headed for parks, bars and restaurants to make the most of the warm weather.

The country has so far stood out for its relaxed approach to fighting Covid-19, with the government relying on citizens to act sensibly, rather than imposing new laws or a full lockdown.

But on Friday, Interior Minister Mikael Damberg urged Swedes not to let down their guard. While most people in Stockholm are acting responsibly, Damberg said “in some places and in some situations, the recommendations aren’t being followed.” Speaking to reporters in the capital, he said, “This is a critical situation and it’s time to follow the guidelines and take responsibility.”

I take it that you don't trust people to do the right thing and, therefore, advocate for strict government mandates?