The truth about Giorgia Meloni

[MikeH]

With all the left-wing fraud and lies being told, here's the truth about her. And, yes, I heard her SAY some of this live, though a translator. "This is the real her." Too bad she can't run for U.S. president...


From The Epoch Times
Giorgia Meloni and Common Sense
Roger Kimball
September 26, 2022 Updated: September 27, 2022

Link is here:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-roger-kimball


Toward the beginning of “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” George Orwell has his unhappy protagonist Winston Smith jot down what he describes as an “axiom.”

“Freedom,” he writes, “is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

That seemingly simple, in reality, deep, observation is akin to Bishop Butler’s bijou that “everything is what it is, and not another thing.”

How much mischief could have been avoided if people, especially people in power, were to take such commonsense wisdom to heart?

Italy’s new prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, seems to be a rare member of the genus homo politicus in embracing such commonsensical positions.

In a speech three years ago at the World Congress of Families, she listed Orwellian by quoting not him, but G.K. Chesterton.

“Fires will be kindled,” she quoted, “to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in the summer.”

Chesterton’s wise words come from the end of his book “Heretics” (1905).

“The great march of mental destruction will go on,” he writes. “Everything will be denied. Everything will become a creed.”

Meloni, founder and head of Italy’s Brothers of Italy party, is a euroskeptic.

This makes her a heretic.

She objects to the effort of the people in charge of Project Europe to turn her into a “perfect consumer,” a “consumer slave.”

This makes her a pariah.

Meloni refuses to be treated as a cipher, a number.

This makes her a threat.

She proudly defines herself as “Italian, Christian, woman, mother.”

This makes her a fascist.

That, anyway, is what the major news networks want you to believe.

On the eve of her stunning election victory—in 2018, the Brothers of Italy won only 4.5 percent of the vote—CBS indulged in a hysterical (I don’t mean “funny”) bit of rhetorical overkill.

“Voters in Italy appear poised to elect a far-right prime minister,” CBS informed viewers.

That’s not all. According to CBS, Meloni “leads a neo-fascist movement, reminiscent of Benito Mussolini’s own political party.”

Mussolini, eh?

Oh, yes.

This woman wants to reclaim her own identity as an individual, to champion the two-plus-two-make-four reality that she’s Italian, not a global citizen, a Christian, not a “consumer slave,” a mother, not “parent No. 1,” and a woman, not a “gender.”

All this makes her, if CBS is to be believed, the exponent of a political philosophy that has “roots in neo-fascism.”

“Many fear,” intoned a bobblehead called Chris Livesay, that a “particularly ugly” bit of history could soon repeat itself, as Meloni is “poised to lead the most hard-right government since World War II.”

“Many”?

It wasn’t only CBS, of course.

CNN was right there on the case, telling us that Meloni’s victory ushered in “Italy’s most far-right prime minister since Mussolini,” “underscoring Italy’s longstanding rejection of mainstream politics,” i.e., the politics CNN supports.

And then there was the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, who, just before Meloni’s victory, warned that the EU had “tools” it could use to punish Italy should it vote the wrong way.

Such “tools,” she added, were already being deployed against Hungary and Poland.

What we’re seeing here is a European version of the tactic deployed by the Biden administration against Donald Trump and his supporters.

At his speech in Philadelphia earlier this month, President Joe Biden insisted that “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

A week earlier, at a speech in Maryland, Biden explained that the problem was “not just Trump, it’s the entire philosophy that underpins the … semi-fascism” of the MAGA agenda.

But what is that “MAGA” (or, even scarier, “ultra-MAGA”) agenda we’re supposed to recoil from?

It’s a commonsense agenda that stresses policies that encourage American prosperity, American security, and American freedom.

It’s an agenda that recognizes that borders are borders, that cheap, abundant energy is a prerequisite of economic prosperity, and that the rule of law must be administered impartially if the coercive power of the state is not to descend into tyranny.

It also recognizes that the human race is divided into two sexes, and only two, that race is not determinative of character, and that national sovereignty and private property are necessary to the preservation of individual liberty.

In his great essay “Politics and the English Language,” Orwell noted that the term “fascist” had degenerated into a cognitively empty negative epithet that was little more than a term of abuse.

You don’t like something. Therefore it’s “fascist.”

It’s certainly odd that one has to work overtime to defend Meloni’s assertion of her identity as an Italian, a Christian, a woman, and a mother.

Everything is what it is and not another thing.

But then, we really do live in a time when the assertion that two plus two make four is disparaged as an example of “white supremacy.”

Who knows what tort will be invented to counter the claim that leaves in the summer are green.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by MikeH

With all the left-wing fraud and lies being told, here's the truth about her. And, yes, I heard her SAY some of this live, though a translator. "This is the real her." Too bad she can't run for U.S. president...


From The Epoch Times
Giorgia Meloni and Common Sense
Roger Kimball
September 26, 2022 Updated: September 27, 2022

Link is here:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-roger-kimball


Toward the beginning of “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” George Orwell has his unhappy protagonist Winston Smith jot down what he describes as an “axiom.”

“Freedom,” he writes, “is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

That seemingly simple, in reality, deep, observation is akin to Bishop Butler’s bijou that “everything is what it is, and not another thing.”

How much mischief could have been avoided if people, especially people in power, were to take such commonsense wisdom to heart?

Italy’s new prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, seems to be a rare member of the genus homo politicus in embracing such commonsensical positions.

In a speech three years ago at the World Congress of Families, she listed Orwellian by quoting not him, but G.K. Chesterton.

“Fires will be kindled,” she quoted, “to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in the summer.”

Chesterton’s wise words come from the end of his book “Heretics” (1905).

“The great march of mental destruction will go on,” he writes. “Everything will be denied. Everything will become a creed.”

Meloni, founder and head of Italy’s Brothers of Italy party, is a euroskeptic.

This makes her a heretic.

She objects to the effort of the people in charge of Project Europe to turn her into a “perfect consumer,” a “consumer slave.”

This makes her a pariah.

Meloni refuses to be treated as a cipher, a number.

This makes her a threat.

She proudly defines herself as “Italian, Christian, woman, mother.”

This makes her a fascist.

That, anyway, is what the major news networks want you to believe.

On the eve of her stunning election victory—in 2018, the Brothers of Italy won only 4.5 percent of the vote—CBS indulged in a hysterical (I don’t mean “funny”) bit of rhetorical overkill.

“Voters in Italy appear poised to elect a far-right prime minister,” CBS informed viewers.

That’s not all. According to CBS, Meloni “leads a neo-fascist movement, reminiscent of Benito Mussolini’s own political party.”

Mussolini, eh?

Oh, yes.

This woman wants to reclaim her own identity as an individual, to champion the two-plus-two-make-four reality that she’s Italian, not a global citizen, a Christian, not a “consumer slave,” a mother, not “parent No. 1,” and a woman, not a “gender.”

All this makes her, if CBS is to be believed, the exponent of a political philosophy that has “roots in neo-fascism.”

“Many fear,” intoned a bobblehead called Chris Livesay, that a “particularly ugly” bit of history could soon repeat itself, as Meloni is “poised to lead the most hard-right government since World War II.”

“Many”?

It wasn’t only CBS, of course.

CNN was right there on the case, telling us that Meloni’s victory ushered in “Italy’s most far-right prime minister since Mussolini,” “underscoring Italy’s longstanding rejection of mainstream politics,” i.e., the politics CNN supports.

And then there was the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, who, just before Meloni’s victory, warned that the EU had “tools” it could use to punish Italy should it vote the wrong way.

Such “tools,” she added, were already being deployed against Hungary and Poland.

What we’re seeing here is a European version of the tactic deployed by the Biden administration against Donald Trump and his supporters.

At his speech in Philadelphia earlier this month, President Joe Biden insisted that “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

A week earlier, at a speech in Maryland, Biden explained that the problem was “not just Trump, it’s the entire philosophy that underpins the … semi-fascism” of the MAGA agenda.

But what is that “MAGA” (or, even scarier, “ultra-MAGA”) agenda we’re supposed to recoil from?

It’s a commonsense agenda that stresses policies that encourage American prosperity, American security, and American freedom.

It’s an agenda that recognizes that borders are borders, that cheap, abundant energy is a prerequisite of economic prosperity, and that the rule of law must be administered impartially if the coercive power of the state is not to descend into tyranny.

It also recognizes that the human race is divided into two sexes, and only two, that race is not determinative of character, and that national sovereignty and private property are necessary to the preservation of individual liberty.

In his great essay “Politics and the English Language,” Orwell noted that the term “fascist” had degenerated into a cognitively empty negative epithet that was little more than a term of abuse.

You don’t like something. Therefore it’s “fascist.”

It’s certainly odd that one has to work overtime to defend Meloni’s assertion of her identity as an Italian, a Christian, a woman, and a mother.

Everything is what it is and not another thing.

But then, we really do live in a time when the assertion that two plus two make four is disparaged as an example of “white supremacy.”

Who knows what tort will be invented to counter the claim that leaves in the summer are green.

Truth, from the Epoch Times. Bwahahahahahaha

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by MikeH

With all the left-wing fraud and lies being told, here's the truth about her. And, yes, I heard her SAY some of this live, though a translator. "This is the real her." Too bad she can't run for U.S. president...


From The Epoch Times
Giorgia Meloni and Common Sense
Roger Kimball
September 26, 2022 Updated: September 27, 2022

Link is here:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-roger-kimball


Toward the beginning of “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” George Orwell has his unhappy protagonist Winston Smith jot down what he describes as an “axiom.”

“Freedom,” he writes, “is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”

That seemingly simple, in reality, deep, observation is akin to Bishop Butler’s bijou that “everything is what it is, and not another thing.”

How much mischief could have been avoided if people, especially people in power, were to take such commonsense wisdom to heart?

Italy’s new prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, seems to be a rare member of the genus homo politicus in embracing such commonsensical positions.

In a speech three years ago at the World Congress of Families, she listed Orwellian by quoting not him, but G.K. Chesterton.

“Fires will be kindled,” she quoted, “to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in the summer.”

Chesterton’s wise words come from the end of his book “Heretics” (1905).

“The great march of mental destruction will go on,” he writes. “Everything will be denied. Everything will become a creed.”

Meloni, founder and head of Italy’s Brothers of Italy party, is a euroskeptic.

This makes her a heretic.

She objects to the effort of the people in charge of Project Europe to turn her into a “perfect consumer,” a “consumer slave.”

This makes her a pariah.

Meloni refuses to be treated as a cipher, a number.

This makes her a threat.

She proudly defines herself as “Italian, Christian, woman, mother.”

This makes her a fascist.

That, anyway, is what the major news networks want you to believe.

On the eve of her stunning election victory—in 2018, the Brothers of Italy won only 4.5 percent of the vote—CBS indulged in a hysterical (I don’t mean “funny”) bit of rhetorical overkill.

“Voters in Italy appear poised to elect a far-right prime minister,” CBS informed viewers.

That’s not all. According to CBS, Meloni “leads a neo-fascist movement, reminiscent of Benito Mussolini’s own political party.”

Mussolini, eh?

Oh, yes.

This woman wants to reclaim her own identity as an individual, to champion the two-plus-two-make-four reality that she’s Italian, not a global citizen, a Christian, not a “consumer slave,” a mother, not “parent No. 1,” and a woman, not a “gender.”

All this makes her, if CBS is to be believed, the exponent of a political philosophy that has “roots in neo-fascism.”

“Many fear,” intoned a bobblehead called Chris Livesay, that a “particularly ugly” bit of history could soon repeat itself, as Meloni is “poised to lead the most hard-right government since World War II.”

“Many”?

It wasn’t only CBS, of course.

CNN was right there on the case, telling us that Meloni’s victory ushered in “Italy’s most far-right prime minister since Mussolini,” “underscoring Italy’s longstanding rejection of mainstream politics,” i.e., the politics CNN supports.

And then there was the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, who, just before Meloni’s victory, warned that the EU had “tools” it could use to punish Italy should it vote the wrong way.

Such “tools,” she added, were already being deployed against Hungary and Poland.

What we’re seeing here is a European version of the tactic deployed by the Biden administration against Donald Trump and his supporters.

At his speech in Philadelphia earlier this month, President Joe Biden insisted that “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

A week earlier, at a speech in Maryland, Biden explained that the problem was “not just Trump, it’s the entire philosophy that underpins the … semi-fascism” of the MAGA agenda.

But what is that “MAGA” (or, even scarier, “ultra-MAGA”) agenda we’re supposed to recoil from?

It’s a commonsense agenda that stresses policies that encourage American prosperity, American security, and American freedom.

It’s an agenda that recognizes that borders are borders, that cheap, abundant energy is a prerequisite of economic prosperity, and that the rule of law must be administered impartially if the coercive power of the state is not to descend into tyranny.

It also recognizes that the human race is divided into two sexes, and only two, that race is not determinative of character, and that national sovereignty and private property are necessary to the preservation of individual liberty.

In his great essay “Politics and the English Language,” Orwell noted that the term “fascist” had degenerated into a cognitively empty negative epithet that was little more than a term of abuse.

You don’t like something. Therefore it’s “fascist.”

It’s certainly odd that one has to work overtime to defend Meloni’s assertion of her identity as an Italian, a Christian, a woman, and a mother.

Everything is what it is and not another thing.

But then, we really do live in a time when the assertion that two plus two make four is disparaged as an example of “white supremacy.”

Who knows what tort will be invented to counter the claim that leaves in the summer are green.

Thanks, Mike, for posting all these informative facts about PM Meloni. Some brief comments on a couple of points. This woman claims to be a Christian, which could well account for why she is so despised for not being a worldly "consumer slave". Christians are slaves to God and to righteousness (Rom 6:18-22) because Christ has set them free from the power of and enslavement to sin. It's no wonder, therefore, the godless wicked of the elite ruling class in Europe would hate her.

The bolded excerpt above is very insightful because it is a legitimate way of stating what many philosophers believe is the foundational law of logic: The Law of Identity. For example, another way to express this first principle of logic is: A is A; it can never be B. Think about this for a moment with the whole tranny narrative. Or even with the abortion issue since pro-abortionists insist that what's being aborted in a woman's woman is not human life, but rather lifeless, disposable tissue or protoplasm. Or how character is not determined by what's in a person's heart but rather by external, physical characteristics. Or how humans are not killers; rather guns are. Or how often leftists call evil good or good evil, etc., etc., etc. This type of human behavior speaks to the profound negative effects that sin has on each of us to one degree or another. It's no wonder at all that Solomon could write that the hearts of the sons of men are FULL of evil and insanity throughout their lives (Eccl 9:3). I am convinced that inanity or madness is inextricably linked to evil. And for those of us who have eyes to see and ears to hear, we can bear witness daily to the madness of this dark, depraved world.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by MikeH

With all the left-wing fraud and lies being told, here's the truth about her. And, yes, I heard her SAY some of this live, though a translator. "This is the real her." Too bad she can't run for U.S. president...


From The Epoch Times
Giorgia Meloni and Common Sense
Roger Kimball
September 26, 2022 Updated: September 27, 2022

Link is here:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/author-roger-kimball


Toward the beginning of “Nineteen Eighty-Four,” George Orwell has his unhappy protagonist Winston Smith jot down what he describes as an “axiom.”

“Freedom,” he writes, “is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”
Mathematically correct, but not necessarily true. In sports five basketball players combine to make one team. In marriage, a man and a woman combine to make one child, or two, or five, or none at all.
That seemingly simple, in reality, deep, observation is akin to Bishop Butler’s bijou that “everything is what it is, and not another thing.”

How much mischief could have been avoided if people, especially people in power, were to take such commonsense wisdom to heart?
Things are not always what they appear on the surface. Newtonian physics describes the world we see. Einstein looked beneath the surface and discovered something quite different.
Italy’s new prime minister, Giorgia Meloni, seems to be a rare member of the genus homo politicus in embracing such commonsensical positions.

In a speech three years ago at the World Congress of Families, she listed Orwellian by quoting not him, but G.K. Chesterton.

“Fires will be kindled,” she quoted, “to testify that two and two make four. Swords will be drawn to prove that leaves are green in the summer.”

Chesterton’s wise words come from the end of his book “Heretics” (1905).

“The great march of mental destruction will go on,” he writes. “Everything will be denied. Everything will become a creed.”
If everything is denied, nothing can be a creed. If everything is a creed, nothing can be denied.
Meloni, founder and head of Italy’s Brothers of Italy party, is a euroskeptic.
Euroskeptic? What does that even mean? That she doesn’t believe in the existence of Europe? That she feels other European countries are inferior to Italy.


This makes her a heretic.

She objects to the effort of the people in charge of Project Europe to turn her into a “perfect consumer,” a “consumer slave.”

Why don’t you say it like she said it. She called them financial speculators. Financial Speculators is a code word for Jews.

This makes her a pariah.
Let’s see, ultra nationalist, anti Semite, anti immigrant. What does that add up to? Pariah is a good answer. Fascist is a better one.

Meloni refuses to be treated as a cipher, a number.

This makes her a threat.

She proudly defines herself as “Italian, Christian, woman, mother.”

This makes her a fascist.

being an Italian and a Christian does not make her a fascist. Being anti Semite, anti immigrant, anti LGBTQ DOES.

That, anyway, is what the major news networks want you to believe.

On the eve of her stunning election victory—in 2018, the Brothers of Italy won only 4.5 percent of the vote—CBS indulged in a hysterical (I don’t mean “funny”) bit of rhetorical overkill.

“Voters in Italy appear poised to elect a far-right prime minister,” CBS informed viewers.

That’s not all. According to CBS, Meloni “leads a neo-fascist movement, reminiscent of Benito Mussolini’s own political party.”

Mussolini, eh?
Yeah Mussolini. The Brothers of Italy party is a direct descendent of parties formed after WWII by followers of Mussolini.
Oh, yes.

This woman wants to reclaim her own identity as an individual, to champion the two-plus-two-make-four reality that she’s Italian, not a global citizen, a Christian, not a “consumer slave,” a mother, not “parent No. 1,” and a woman, not a “gender.”

A person can be an Italian, or an American, or a Brit, and also be a Global citizen. All being a global citizen means is that you recognize that people not living in your country also are human beings with the same rights as you. Consumer slave is just another way of saying Jews will not replace us. No one thinks parent No. 1 is a great idea. We need to adjust our documentation to reflect current realties. We need to take into account surrogate mothers, sperm donors etc. woman is a gender, as is man and trans.

All this makes her, if CBS is to be believed, the exponent of a political philosophy that has “roots in neo-fascism.”

“Many fear,” intoned a bobblehead called Chris Livesay, that a “particularly ugly” bit of history could soon repeat itself, as Meloni is “poised to lead the most hard-right government since World War II.”

“Many”?

It wasn’t only CBS, of course.

CNN was right there on the case, telling us that Meloni’s victory ushered in “Italy’s most far-right prime minister since Mussolini,” “underscoring Italy’s longstanding rejection of mainstream politics,” i.e., the politics CNN supports.

And then there was the president of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, who, just before Meloni’s victory, warned that the EU had “tools” it could use to punish Italy should it vote the wrong way.

Such “tools,” she added, were already being deployed against Hungary and Poland.

What we’re seeing here is a European version of the tactic deployed by the Biden administration against Donald Trump and his supporters.

At his speech in Philadelphia earlier this month, President Joe Biden insisted that “Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic.”

A week earlier, at a speech in Maryland, Biden explained that the problem was “not just Trump, it’s the entire philosophy that underpins the … semi-fascism” of the MAGA agenda.

But what is that “MAGA” (or, even scarier, “ultra-MAGA”) agenda we’re supposed to recoil from?

It’s a commonsense agenda that stresses policies that encourage American prosperity, American security, and American freedom.
No! It’s an agenda that is anti other, whether that other be immigrants or Jews or Muslims, or blacks, or Latinos. It’s an Agena that’s antiScience, it’s an agenda that’s anti democracy, it’s an agenda that’s anti labor. It’s an agenda that’s anti consumer, it’s an agenda that’s anti religion unless it’s the right religion.
It’s an agenda that recognizes that borders are borders, that cheap, abundant energy is a prerequisite of economic prosperity, and that the rule of law must be administered impartially if the coercive power of the state is not to descend into tyranny.

It also recognizes that the human race is divided into two sexes, and only two, that race is not determinative of character, and that national sovereignty and private property are necessary to the preservation of individual liberty.

In his great essay “Politics and the English Language,” Orwell noted that the term “fascist” had degenerated into a cognitively empty negative epithet that was little more than a term of abuse.

You don’t like something. Therefore it’s “fascist.”
Sometimes people are called Fascist as an epithet. Sometimes they’re called fascist because thay are fascist.

It’s certainly odd that one has to work overtime to defend Meloni’s assertion of her identity as an Italian, a Christian, a woman, and a mother.

Everything is what it is and not another thing.

But then, we really do live in a time when the assertion that two plus two make four is disparaged as an example of “white supremacy.”

Who knows what tort will be invented to counter the claim that leaves in the summer are green.

There are many plants whose leaves are not green. Even in the summer.

[jocko699]

Evening Jimmy. Slow day on the playground?

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Why don’t you say it like she said it. She called them financial speculators. Financial Speculators is a code word for Jews.

It is?

To the bigoted, yes...financial speculators (ie. TRADERS...like me) would be a CODE WORD for JEW to YOU because you are an anti-Semitic bigot who thinks the Jews control the world and of course, the financial system.

Other people just go about their day thinking financial speculators are people who take risks in the market for perceived rewards or expected value.

Not unlike horseplayers.

The only one who thinks JEW when hearing financial speculator are old farts like you who hate Jews.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by jocko699

Evening Jimmy. Slow day on the playground?

The usual....

[MikeH]

Boxcar:
Thank you.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by mostpost

There are many plants whose leaves are not green. Even in the summer.

But there is a far greater number of plants whose leaves are not green during the Fall or Winter seasons.

[classhandicapper]

I don't know if she's competent enough to handle the task at hand against the tyrannical globalists (including the well known Satan appeaser in the Vatican), but I know she's a gift from God to the Italian people if she can.

[MikeH]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

I don't know if she's competent enough to handle the task at hand against the tyrannical globalists (including the well known Satan appeaser in the Vatican), but I know she's a gift from God to the Italian people if she can.

I see you and I have similar views on the current "Pope." I find it rather sickening that many of our leaders feel a great need to kowtow to the media-entertainment-industry-academia complex of Sodom & Gomorrah and hedonism.

[elysiantraveller]

Why is everyone spending so much time on this?

It's Italy...

Over/Under on this government lasting 18 months... You'd take the under.