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04-24-2022, 09:36 PM
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How is the Louisiana Derby calculated with the extended distance?
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04-25-2022, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter
How is the Louisiana Derby calculated with the extended distance?
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It’s not considered a big 5 prep.
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04-25-2022, 11:13 AM
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Anyone recall one faster than :35.65
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Street Sense covered his final 3/8ths in 34.35 in the 2007 Bluegrass Stakes.
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04-25-2022, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SharpCat
Street Sense covered his final 3/8ths in 34.35 in the 2007 Bluegrass Stakes.
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Funny cause Street Sense is an awful sire for triple crown races. Auto tosses for me everytime.
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04-25-2022, 03:53 PM
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I’ve been seeing today that Classic Causeway is in again and Early Voting may be. That makes Mo Donegal look a lot better . It’s derby fever …… catch it. This field still had to shake out . If he gets the set up , he looked like the distance suits. But the key to this race when there’s no huge stand out is the pace. Mo can close the the deal on the original idea of finishing 3/8.
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04-25-2022, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by burnsy
I’ve been seeing today that Classic Causeway is in again and Early Voting may be. That makes Mo Donegal look a lot better . It’s derby fever …… catch it. This field still had to shake out . If he gets the set up , he looked like the distance suits. But the key to this race when there’s no huge stand out is the pace. Mo can close the the deal on the original idea of finishing 3/8.
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If Early Voting does run, he's at the top of my tickets, along with Epicenter and Taiba...contingent on post draws, of course. Early Voting checks every box besides a 100+ Beyer (his high is 98).
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04-25-2022, 05:35 PM
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I'm not sure pace projections are a stable strategy in a race with so many entrants. Even if every need the lead horse wilts, we do not know which horses will be unblocked in time. And if every one of the prime closers gets lost in the crowd, one of those leaders may stagger in.
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04-25-2022, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Longshot
FightingIrish asked.
How were these calculated?. Just wondering because some of it seems different than trakus data
I have a computer program that calculates the final eight, final quarter and final three eights.
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Thanks, for the information. Was this program yours or did you purchase it. I’ve always done the times by hand using Trakus, but it was always tedious.
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04-26-2022, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Bustin Stones
I'm not sure pace projections are a stable strategy in a race with so many entrants. Even if every need the lead horse wilts, we do not know which horses will be unblocked in time. And if every one of the prime closers gets lost in the crowd, one of those leaders may stagger in.
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Pace makes the race. As of late the pace has moderated some in these derbies. If Max doesn’t get the dq and Medina doesn’t get the dq. The front and stalking has been the place to be recently. But if there’s a little melt at the end . Horses are coming and if your playing numbers you gotta have them in every derby there’s some sucking up late. I saw how Rosario rode that horse. Even in the replay you can here one analyst say, “ what a ride!” He’s the perfect guy to have on that horse . But he needs a little sizzle early . I don’t see how anyone can like Early Voting and not like Mo Donegal cause that move was a quick turn of foot. Dead aim , dead game. If the price is right …..
Last edited by burnsy; 04-26-2022 at 09:49 AM.
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04-26-2022, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Gerard02
Thanks, for the information. Was this program yours or did you purchase it. I’ve always done the times by hand using Trakus, but it was always tedious.
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It is the EquiSim program. I wrote the factor view that figures the Final Fractions along with the E2L, Average Pace, Q Rating and Pace Speed all which I use to determine the ranking of Derby horses.
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04-26-2022, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Longshot
It is the EquiSim program. I wrote the factor view that figures the Final Fractions along with the E2L, Average Pace, Q Rating and Pace Speed all which I use to determine the ranking of Derby horses.
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Very nice! Is it for sale?
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04-26-2022, 04:21 PM
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Very nice! Is it for sale?
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Unfortunately EquIsim is no longer for sale. If you have EquIsim I'd be happy to share my Kentucky Derby Factor View with you. Just PM me with your email address and I send you a copy.
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04-26-2022, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Longshot
Unfortunately EquIsim is no longer for sale. If you have EquIsim I'd be happy to share my Kentucky Derby Factor View with you. Just PM me with your email address and I send you a copy.
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I don’t have EquIsim.
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04-26-2022, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Fightingirish51195
It’s not considered a big 5 prep.
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Then there should be a big 6, based on recent history.
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04-27-2022, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ranchwest
Then there should be a big 6, based on recent history.
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Because of 2 winners by virtue of DQ?
I don’t think it should. But I’m not knocking epicenter or reducing his chances because he ran at FG
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