handicapping the Vet

[lamboguy]

they caught a vet this weekend in the Jane Cibelli in Tampa probably shockwaving one of her horses. i know that Jason DaCosta uses the very same vet. i watched her horses run today, and they did not run the same way as last week. i expect the same sub par performance from his horses as well.

in this game today, you need every edge that you can find, otherwise you should just send your money in and not even watch the races. i only wish i could pay the racing form to do the necessary work that i have to do every day to bet these horses!

[Stillriledup]

Vets should be listed in the program. Its time.

[turninforhome10]

Here is the link to the Tampa Bay times article
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/parim...earing/1275178
My claim is that while we bash trainers for violating the rules, they can't do it by themselves. Vets are at the root of this, the better their clients do the better they do. It is too bad that the powers that be won't publish the vet bills that were incurred to get the horse to race today. Publish it right in the pp's. Trainers get fined for their mistakes bet yet the drug pushers walk away scott free. Start hammering vets and taking licenses and maybe we can clean things up. Until then it will continue to be the wild west. That is why I got respect for owners like lambo, oats, hay,bute and lasix.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

Here is the link to the Tampa Bay times article
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/parim...earing/1275178
My claim is that while we bash trainers for violating the rules, they can't do it by themselves. Vets are at the root of this, the better their clients do the better they do. It is too bad that the powers that be won't publish the vet bills that were incurred to get the horse to race today. Publish it right in the pp's. Trainers get fined for their mistakes bet yet the drug pushers walk away scott free. Start hammering vets and taking licenses and maybe we can clean things up. Until then it will continue to be the wild west. That is why I got respect for owners like lambo, oats, hay,bute and lasix.

i found out that this vet got caught red handed blocking a splint the day of the race. i don't care what she says, she knows exactly what she did. She knows you are not supposed to do that. Berube will probably throw her out or not give her stalls there next year. that's why she got so many "good owners". its certainly not because of her training ability.

[proximity]

this is very sad if true because wasn't it jane who penned that courageous anti-drug letter to the drf just a few years back while many (all) other "hay, oats, and water" trainers remained silent? maybe she finally caved in to the pressure to compete? or maybe she was set up?

[hracingplyr]

She has gone from a 12% trainer to a 38% trainer at Tampa. Another guy who is using more than hay and oats there is jorge navarro and of course Ness.

[turninforhome10]

Originally Posted by proximity

this is very sad if true because wasn't it jane who penned that courageous anti-drug letter to the drf just a few years back while many (all) other "hay, oats, and water" trainers remained silent? maybe she finally caved in to the pressure to compete? or maybe she was set up?

I would tend to think that some trainers don't consider shockwave therapy as medication. Here is older article explaining it
http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/dvm.../detail/162182
Back in 2002 when it was first getting started we had an owner that was determined to claim a horse that I knew had problems and after much explaining he still went ahead and claimed the horse. Sure enough the horse had a suspensory ligament that was going south. Our vet basically said time off and maybe we could get him back, or I have this new shockwave therapy that we could use and continue. The owner chose the shockwave. The horse wins for fun 3 weeks later for N1X allowance. We ultrasounded the suspensory a few days after the race and it was not good. THe answer more shockwave and win his n4l for 15k. He wins and comes back terrible. The next day the horse could barely walk. Sadly enough the owner transfers the horse to a trainer in Neb and runs him at Columbus Fair for 3500, horse gets more threrapy. Horse pulls up bad in the race but was claimed. As far as the owner was concerned, problem solved with a nice profit to boot. Horse never ran again and I believe was latter sold to meat buyer. Very sad.

[VeryOldMan]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

i found out that this vet got caught red handed blocking a splint the day of the race.

That's what I had read too, although just from the comments section to the Paulick Report articles about this. Supposedly the track vet walked in on the crime in progress, so to speak.

Is there ANY possible way the trainer didn't know about it? I find that hard to believe.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by VeryOldMan

That's what I had read too, although just from the comments section to the Paulick Report articles about this. Supposedly the track vet walked in on the crime in progress, so to speak.

Is there ANY possible way the trainer didn't know about it? I find that hard to believe.

NO NO NO

nothing is probably gonna happen to her, her girlfriend is Margo Creel, and she is good friends with Stella Thayer that owns that place. if you ran that track you certainly would not let her run her horses today, which she did.

[Not4Love]

We can debate this issue for a lifetime. Stop wagering on these tracks immediately .

[Robert Goren]

Originally Posted by Not4Love

We can debate this issue for a lifetime. Stop wagering on these tracks immediately .

Which tracks are different?

[onefast99]

Originally Posted by Robert Goren

Which tracks are different?

Gulfstream Park, 10 days out for shock waving. NYRA a guard escorts the vet to the horse on NYRA property for the purpose of shockwaving. NJ 10 days out also.

[VeryOldMan]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Gulfstream Park, 10 days out for shock waving. NYRA a guard escorts the vet to the horse on NYRA property for the purpose of shockwaving. NJ 10 days out also.

Assume the underlying issue isn't shockwaving (none of the rumors I've seen have suggested that was the issue instead of a nerve block) - where does that leave us as bettors? I have reason to know (from first-hand review of a vet bill, alas) that there are aggressive/unscrupulous outside vets who will do darn near anything on the drug front if instructed by the trainer.

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by onefast99

Gulfstream Park, 10 days out for shock waving. NYRA a guard escorts the vet to the horse on NYRA property for the purpose of shockwaving. NJ 10 days out also.

this wasn't shocking, it was worse, it was blocking splints..

in penn national they never saw michael gill horses get high-blocked, only suspected and they threw him out.

blocking is not only illegal, but also very dangerous to horses and humans that ride them.

i don't understand how Berube allowed her to run her horses there today. at least she should have been suspended pending investigation. if one of those horses happens to break down and an injury occurs due to a breakdown, he is open to get his ass sued along with the track owners..

[turninforhome10]

Originally Posted by lamboguy

this wasn't shocking, it was worse, it was blocking splints..

in penn national they never saw michael gill horses get high-blocked, only suspected and they threw him out.

blocking is not only illegal, but also very dangerous to horses and humans that ride them.

i don't understand how Berube allowed her to run her horses there today. at least she should have been suspended pending investigation. if one of those horses happens to break down and an injury occurs due to a breakdown, he is open to get his ass sued along with the track owners..

So Lambo, is not blocking pretty close to nerving in a sense and does not nerving a horse need to be reported to the racing sec.? So why would using a shockwave to block a horse(which in the Tampa case it was blocking IMHO) not need to be reported to the racing sec. In Gill's case I remember him cutting that horses leg off at GP to avoid problems.