Minimum Wage-Seattle results

[Actor]

Originally Posted by Clocker

No, the industry is geared toward complying with government regulations in the most efficient way possible. It is driven top down by that, as the professionals at the front line try to provide real health care despite the rules and regulations.

A major force behind turning health care into an industry is government regulation, and ObamaCare forced a quantum leap in that process.

The old family doctor disappeared long ago as laws and regulations offered economies of scale to bigger and bigger practices.

ObamaCare took it to the next level, where only extensive networks of clinics and hospitals could remain solvent. Doctors sold out private practices to large clinics, and clinics sold out to corporate hospitals. And now insurance companies are buying the hospitals and clinics. And the profit margin in health insurance is still one of the lowest of all major industries.

All you are talking about is the problems the health "industry" has in trying to make a profit. None of it addresses the proposition that health care is a basic human right. No one should have to make a choice between paying an insurance premium and putting food on the table.

Do you really think that someone working a minimum wage job has enough money to buy all the necessities of life plus health insurance? If you do then you have lead a sheltered life.

Capitalism is morally wrong because it treats human beings as a commodity.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by Actor

All you are talking about is the problems the health "industry" has in trying to make a profit.

I am talking about the problems the health industry has staying solvent, despite the efforts of many in government to shut it down so that the government can take it over.

Capitalism is morally wrong because it treats human beings as a commodity.

Morality is a subjective notion, and government has no business trying to impose any morality on its citizens. It is best left to the idle and pointless ramblings of the religious thread.

Capitalism treats human beings as individuals capable of making their own decisions. The results of the government imposed "morality" of socialism are clearly visible today in Cuba and Venezuela.

[barn32]

Originally Posted by chadk66

NAFTA didn't help. That's why Trump is trying to re-negotiate it or pull out of it. And he is already doing a fine job of growing the economy.

Please tell me three specific things TRUMP has done to grow the economy.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by barn32

Please tell me three specific things TRUMP has done to grow the economy.

1. Elected
2. Not a Democrat
3. Lifting sanctions

Have you looked at the DOW since he was elected? Surely even you have profited, right?

[garyscpa]

Originally Posted by Actor

All you are talking about is the problems the health "industry" has in trying to make a profit. None of it addresses the proposition that health care is a basic human right. No one should have to make a choice between paying an insurance premium and putting food on the table.

Do you really think that someone working a minimum wage job has enough money to buy all the necessities of life plus health insurance? If you do then you have lead a sheltered life.

Capitalism is morally wrong because it treats human beings as a commodity.

When did health care become a basic human right?

[davew]

Originally Posted by Actor

All you are talking about is the problems the health "industry" has in trying to make a profit. None of it addresses the proposition that health care is a basic human right. No one should have to make a choice between paying an insurance premium and putting food on the table.

Do you really think that someone working a minimum wage job has enough money to buy all the necessities of life plus health insurance? If you do then you have lead a sheltered life.

Capitalism is morally wrong because it treats human beings as a commodity.

No one should have to make a choice between housing, food, cigarettes, alcohol, and drugs ... but the government does not supply them all on enough volume for some people.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by garyscpa

When did health care become a basic human right?

Here is the cold hard reality.

America is FAT. Really fat, and unhealthy, but we have the ability to pill people along for years while they are fat and useless.

If you are obese, you don't get healthcare. How about that? Get your ass in shape, and THEN you get healthcare.

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by Actor

All you are talking about is the problems the health "industry" has in trying to make a profit. None of it addresses the proposition that health care is a basic human right. No one should have to make a choice between paying an insurance premium and putting food on the table.

Do you really think that someone working a minimum wage job has enough money to buy all the necessities of life plus health insurance? If you do then you have lead a sheltered life.

Capitalism is morally wrong because it treats human beings as a commodity.

Define minimum wage please? There is a reason I ask. I am fully aware of it being the least amount an employer can legally pay under the law. But, please go further because you claim that minimum cant buy all of the necessities plus insurance.
So, lets say minimum was raised to 15 per hour across the country.....would that abolish the minimum wage??? Of course it wouldn't as there will always be some who are at the entry or minimum level.
So, we raise minimum wage...there is many stories regarding what will, what is, and what has happened. Yet, liberals and progressives refuse to believe the actual outcomes and continue to claim its the evil employers protecting their profits. Can you show many a "for profit" business who is in it not to make a profit????? Of course the owners will protect themselves as they have put up all the risk (capital) and are subject to most all of the legalities. So again, why shouldn't they be able to protect their profits?????
So next, libs and progressives head down the pay people a "fair" wage. The problem here is that even the libs cannot answer what a "fair" wage is. There is good reason they cant answer but as cost of business rises with wage hikes (remember payroll is an expense), the cost to consumers goes up incrementally with it or, the business finds alternatives and lets workers go to offset those cost.
So, in my opinion, here is how to remedy the problem......

1. Instead of paying people to sit on their asses at home with things like welfare, pay them to go to school or trade school. The minimum wage workers are unskilled and therefore the reason for their wages. Again, instead of paying a lifetime of free support, I would imagine 4 year schooling would be much more cost efficient.
If refusal happens, sorry but here's a cardboard box as you will need it soon. Now of course their are exceptions like elderly etc etc. However, 20 year olds with 3 kids and no daddy around should not be on these programs.

2. Next, and I openly admit not to know a lot about insurances operations, I don't see how forcing them to provide insane coverages helps with cost. For a male (and this is only an example) to have to pay for birth control has to have some effect on his premiums. Let the consumer pick and choose what they need and base the premiums on that!!!

3. Lastly, get the government out of morality issues all together. The government has proven to be the most inefficient business models in the world. This is due to their political bias and leanings. Their paybacks for winning elections do not have the people at their best interest.

[wisconsin]

Originally Posted by Actor

Capitalism is morally wrong because it treats human beings as a commodity.

If you can come here and post this stupid statement, tell me that you are not out to make as much money as you can. We all are.

[davew]

Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker

Here is the cold hard reality.

America is FAT. Really fat, and unhealthy, but we have the ability to pill people along for years while they are fat and useless.

If you are obese, you don't get healthcare. How about that? Get your ass in shape, and THEN you get healthcare.

maybe they should tie insurance premiums to percent body-fat, nicotine usage and alcohol consumption...

or would that be discriminatory towards actual risk?

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by davew

maybe they should tie insurance premiums to percent body-fat, nicotine usage and alcohol consumption...

or would that be discriminatory towards actual risk?

Well, that would be against Dem logic.

Everybody "deserves" healthcare.

The FAT reality is healthcare needs a solution of FAT and worthless people paying more. Pure and simple.

We are the FATTEST nation alive. Want to reduce healthcare costs? Quit being FAT.

[Clocker]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

Define minimum wage please? There is a reason I ask. I am fully aware of it being the least amount an employer can legally pay under the law. But, please go further because you claim that minimum cant buy all of the necessities plus insurance.

Liberals believe that everyone should be paid a "living wage". They are hard put to define it or defend it, but when they talk about the minimum wage, they generally mean a living wage.

Most start tap dancing around the issue when asked specifics as to what they want. Does a living wage mean someone with a family should make more than a single person doing the same job? Should people be paid according to the cost of living in their area rather than according to the value of their labor?

The ultimate question that they can't answer is, if society decides what a person should be paid, why doesn't society pay for it, rather than put the burden of their decision on the employer?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

The minimum wage workers are unskilled and therefore the reason for their wages.

Wrong. With advanced degrees under my belt I worked at minimum wage for years before I finally landed a job as a physicist.

Even landing the physicist job was pure damned luck. The job application asked whether I had ever been in the military and to list the various duties I had performed. By sheer accident my list contained the buzz word they were looking for. I worked on buzz-word in the military for two months but that was enough to get me hired. They were under the impression that I had worked on buzz-word for three years. I never disillusioned them and I worked for them for twenty years.

I worked for a year as a bookkeeper for a small business for just a bit more than minimum wage. The story of how I got that job is a dilly but it's all true. I went to the Kansas State Employment Office, and employment agency run by the state of Kansas. I gave them my resume and they went over it. Then the guy asked me to make a list of every skill I had.

"Don't leave anything out," he said, "if you once mopped floors, put that down."

So he goes over my list.

"I see you learned bookkeeping in high school. The XYZ company has an opening. However ...

"Don't tell them you're a college graduate.

"Don't tell them you were an officer in the Army. Tell them you were drafted.

"You're 26 years old. Tell them you're 22. That way you don't have to account for the four years you were in college.

"If they ask for a reference give them the name Arlo Smith and this phone number."

"I don't know any Arlo Smith."

"You do now. That phone over there is Arlo Smith's phone. Whenever I answer it I say Arlo Smith."

I had the job an hour later.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Actor

Wrong. With advanced degrees under my belt I worked at minimum wage for years before I finally landed a job as a physicist....

True, skill alone will not necessarily get you hired at a better than minimum wage. There must also be a demand for your skill. Most minimum wage workers have very few marketable skills.

[Lemon Drop Husker]

Originally Posted by Actor

Wrong. With advanced degrees under my belt I worked at minimum wage for years before I finally landed a job as a physicist.

Even landing the physicist job was pure damned luck. The job application asked whether I had ever been in the military and to list the various duties I had performed. By sheer accident my list contained the buzz word they were looking for. I worked on buzz-word in the military for two months but that was enough to get me hired. They were under the impression that I had worked on buzz-word for three years. I never disillusioned them and I worked for them for twenty years.

I worked for a year as a bookkeeper for a small business for just a bit more than minimum wage. The story of how I got that job is a dilly but it's all true. I went to the Kansas State Employment Office, and employment agency run by the state of Kansas. I gave them my resume and they went over it. Then the guy asked me to make a list of every skill I had.

"Don't leave anything out," he said, "if you once mopped floors, put that down."

So he goes over my list.

"I see you learned bookkeeping in high school. The XYZ company has an opening. However ...

"Don't tell them you're a college graduate.

"Don't tell them you were an officer in the Army. Tell them you were drafted.

"You're 26 years old. Tell them you're 22. That way you don't have to account for the four years you were in college.

"If they ask for a reference give them the name Arlo Smith and this phone number."

"I don't know any Arlo Smith."

"You do now. That phone over there is Arlo Smith's phone. Whenever I answer it I say Arlo Smith."

I had the job an hour later.

Man, I thought you had something important to say.